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Mark Cuban on the appeal of Harris/Walz (Original Post) True Dough Aug 2024 OP
A match made in Heaven Random Boomer Aug 2024 #1
Ermm.. earth to Cuban: people hugely LOVE Walz!! ananda Aug 2024 #2
i agree.....i thought mark would be more up samnsara Aug 2024 #13
Cuban has reached that don't give a sh*t age. Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #22
Both parties? Really? It's a party platform on the right. On the left it's a few individuals, most of whom GPV Aug 2024 #3
"Hate from both parties." Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #4
Well, we DO hate Nazis and Fascists, if he feels hated on... ArkansasDemocrat1 Aug 2024 #15
We hate evil. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #21
Well, he is a conservative moonscape Aug 2024 #19
Hate from both parties!? XanaDUer2 Aug 2024 #5
A good message except for the both-sideism on "hate". C'mon. Enough with that! The MAGATS are the "haters". Deek1935 Aug 2024 #6
Aaaaaand... he just kills any momentum from the thought with the "both sides" crap. JHB Aug 2024 #7
Very truthfully we are not angels... MiHale Aug 2024 #8
Trump can sit at the kitchen table IronLionZion Aug 2024 #9
And He'll Leave An Orange Stain On It When He Gets Up ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2024 #17
Tim Walz... GiqueCee Aug 2024 #10
The both sides stuff is meh - but, there is a sliver of truth... harumph Aug 2024 #11
Unfortunately, bothsiderism prevails dlk Aug 2024 #12
Gee, was Biden such a hateful ideologue? Pompoy Aug 2024 #14
Walz Can Sit At The Kitchen Table............. ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2024 #16
The couch True Dough Aug 2024 #20
Cuban is still just a tech-bro Libertarian at heart. LudwigPastorius Aug 2024 #18
I'm glad to have him on our side True Dough Aug 2024 #25
This seems like flawed thinking Bucky Aug 2024 #23
Uh, Mark, it's not both parties, man . . . hawkeye21 Aug 2024 #24

Random Boomer

(4,261 posts)
1. A match made in Heaven
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 06:02 AM
Aug 2024

There are magical moments when a specific candidate resonates with the times. Something clicks today in a way it might not have done earlier, such as Harris's run in 2020. Didn't get far then, today it feels like she's setting the country on fire.

With Walz, lightning has struck twice, which is really just a good sign of Harris making a damn good choice for her VP.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
22. Cuban has reached that don't give a sh*t age.
Sun Aug 11, 2024, 06:29 AM
Aug 2024

At some point, most of us stop caring about the latest :::fill in the blank:::. We stop worrying about missing out on whatever's hot or hip or cool. In fact, we stop caring if we're those things ourselves. It's like we're finally sure enough about who we are and what we want to care about that we don't need the rest of the world telling us what matters.

So I think he's at the age where he doesn't notice trends very much. But he's also at that place where he can tell, right off, when something new or different is worth paying attention to. It does help that he might be a billionaire, but he's not entirely stupid.

GPV

(73,071 posts)
3. Both parties? Really? It's a party platform on the right. On the left it's a few individuals, most of whom
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 06:09 AM
Aug 2024

aren't elected officials. Never did I think that political correctness would go from evening out inequities to this. "We're all ok" was supposed to apply to legitimately marginalized groups. This doesn't mean neo-nazis and their ilk.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(3,213 posts)
15. Well, we DO hate Nazis and Fascists, if he feels hated on...
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:06 PM
Aug 2024

Then there's a reason. "The hit dog yelps" as we say here.

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
6. A good message except for the both-sideism on "hate". C'mon. Enough with that! The MAGATS are the "haters".
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:15 AM
Aug 2024

JHB

(37,442 posts)
7. Aaaaaand... he just kills any momentum from the thought with the "both sides" crap.
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:19 AM
Aug 2024

Even when they scrape together examples of "ideologues and hate" from this side, it's people at the edges. For the Republicans, all that is front and center and a driving force.

Forget comparing apples and oranges, it's apples and orangutans.

MiHale

(10,830 posts)
8. Very truthfully we are not angels...
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:28 AM
Aug 2024

You must admit we hate certain people on the right and say so. I, personally, am ready to put aside that hate, it gets tiresome. We think it’s a ‘justifiable’ hate…but so do they. It needs to be cooled. Cuban is not that far off we just don’t like to hear it.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,898 posts)
17. And He'll Leave An Orange Stain On It When He Gets Up
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:10 PM
Aug 2024

Just like Darrell's family in "Coming To America." And you'll probably have to get it fumigated to get the smell out too.

GiqueCee

(1,409 posts)
10. Tim Walz...
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:34 AM
Aug 2024

... has proven himself to be whip-smart, and a genuinely decent person. No Republican can make that claim.

harumph

(2,355 posts)
11. The both sides stuff is meh - but, there is a sliver of truth...
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:39 AM
Aug 2024

For example, the young Palestinian/Hamas sympathizers. If you sit down wth one of them, instead of making you feel you have
known him/her forever - you will want to bang your head against a wall in frustration. That said, Democrats keep their ultra-ideologues at a "safe" distance - and don't give them the keys to the car - which is appealing to a wide swath of voters. Republicans on the other hand, are willing to let the most vile mentally deranged people occupy the driver's seat because character takes a backseat to
the will to power.

dlk

(12,448 posts)
12. Unfortunately, bothsiderism prevails
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 07:47 AM
Aug 2024

Too many big names don’t have the courage to be completely honest about who the ideologues and haters really are. It’s an all too common cop out.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,898 posts)
16. Walz Can Sit At The Kitchen Table.............
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:09 PM
Aug 2024

.............but Vance prefers the couch. (Rim shot please). Thank you, I'll be here all week.

LudwigPastorius

(10,940 posts)
18. Cuban is still just a tech-bro Libertarian at heart.
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:34 PM
Aug 2024

It's merely that he is intelligent enough not to support the outright fascism of Trump and the GOP.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
23. This seems like flawed thinking
Sun Aug 11, 2024, 07:51 AM
Aug 2024

Harris went from "worst to first" cause she seemed normal and hopeful when the alternatives to her were geriatric Biden (and opposition to Biden was mostly ageism) or crazy angry Trump or irrelevant kooky RFKjr.

Coach went from "worst to first" because the ageism against his great and wrinkled face got disproved, once the public saw he was on his game and kind of a chill dude. But he wasn't unique in that. Remember that the alternatives to him weren't nutso like the GOP is. One was a good looking, sane, moderate governor; the other was a crusty looking, sane, moderate ex astronaut. But they were all competent, service-oriented, and normal.

It's not just random luck that the Democrats just so happened to be the sane ones this time around. Republicans have been nut cases all along. Their quirk-filled ideological screwiness has gotten out of hand, but Trump and Vance are really a natural result from the bread-and-circus distractions Republicans have always depended on to sell to voters the policies that harm the poor and middle class.

"Be afraid of immigrants. Be afraid of welfare recipients. Hate teachers that teach dangerous facts to your kids. Cut taxes on zillionaires or they won't give us jobs." Fear fear fear! "Clean energy will end your way of life and kill off all the birds."

A big part of this schtick is the baseless smearing of each and every Democrat who gets into power. Clinton is a Machiavellian pothead. Hillary is a manipulative dragon lady. John Kerry is a war coward who faked his combat accomplishments. Barack is a Machiavellian pothead foreigner (these are all rerunnable themes).

I remember in 1984 seeing a National Inquirer headline declaring that Lee Hart had a secret plan to take over the country thru the end of the century. You're probably thinking "Who the hell is Lee Hart?" She was the wife of a wonky US senator who caught a brief spell of popularity while running for president. So why smear her? Back then, I had no idea the Inquirer wasn't just a joke magazine, but a tool of the right wing elite to bamboozle the busy working class -- bread and circuses. Apparently Lee Hart's evil master plan was to get her husband elected president in '84 and then run for president herself in '92. Such a diabolical plotting dragon lady! Her evil plan was... to win elections!!

It was baseless, of course, merely a dress rehearsal for the smear they'd hone on Hillary Clinton 8 years later. They had the misogynist script all ready to run, whatever boomer happened to be the first boomer First Lady. It's a rerunnable theme. This is why a brilliant super accomplished lawyer like Michelle Obama stayed in the garden and only talked about healthy food and exercise for 8 years. Even then they tried the dragon lady narrative on her (till they switched to the more reliable old racist insults).

Republicans govern by distraction and bloodsport. In a democracy it's the only way to get a majority to vote against their own interests -- although lately they've quit scrupling so much on the "majority" bit. But who can blame them? It's not their fault that the scapegoat minorities have become a larger share of the voting public.

So in the future they'll talk more about men going into girls' bathrooms and murderous immigrants, cowardly veterans and the inherent communism of library books, bloodsport and distraction. That's all they know and it's all they can do. They rerun the old attacks because they mostly lack the imagination to devise new smear tactics. Smearing Kamala as dumb, as Trump & his initiators try, isn't working because no one is familiar with that script... and makes no sense. Now they've got to somehow change the narrative, sell her as a scheming dragon lady.

Harris and Walz are surging in popularity now not cause their normalness is a new thing, as Mark Cuban implies, but because they were too unknown before to be worth framing up with the usual smears.

But here's the thing: Democrats have always been normal. Bill and Hillary were yuppies, sure, but he was a small town kid from a broken home who worked his ass off to become successful so he could help people like himself. And she was a suburban kid who worked her ass off to be successful and got to see how government could help people who were suffering too. They were Mainstream Protestants who believed in what Christianity teaches: help the less fortunate. That's pretty normal.

Kerry was loaded, sure, and ambitious, as all politicians are, but he lived an honorable life of public service, from the military to the law. That's how normal people act. Obama grew up with an academic mom and small town grandparents, but his cultural rearing was quintessentially American. He was gifted, but he was a normal guy and his policies were entirely about helping regular people live better lives.

This ethic they all share threatens the wealthy and the powerful who are jealous of their own privilege. And so they smear to govern. Anyone trying to level the playing field a little must be tarnished as freaks or deviants.

The reason Kamala and Coach aren't tarnished is because they're new, that is, they aren't tarnished yet. Give it four years; our Republican compatriots will get there. They just need to find a smarter salesman.

hawkeye21

(284 posts)
24. Uh, Mark, it's not both parties, man . . .
Sun Aug 11, 2024, 01:05 PM
Aug 2024

Cuban sounds like Trump: "Well, there are good people on both sides. "

Sure. LOL

Cuban is an outta touch billionaire who's trying to appear relevant. He should just keep his posts to himself, as long as he votes for Kamala and Tim.

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