New Hampshire passes UNconstitutional law requiring proof of citizenship when voting. NOT this upcoming election though

[Eliot Rosewater]

Technically it's proof of citizenship, but for most people they are trying to get to stop voting, that will be their birth certificate and I'm gonna guess now half of the people that will have to do this won't and that means Republicans will win and as far as I'm concerned this country is done.

This is the end of our democracy. MANY people who dont have the time or FINANCES to do this wont, and wont vote. Guess who this will hurt the most.

I sure wish I could use the MOTHERFU word


https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/new-hampshire-republicans-pass-bill-removing-exceptions-to-voter-id-requirement/

FUCK YOU TO HELL all of you cons...and I mean it too, just hope others get as mad as I am.

Even repubs there are saying it is unconstitutional but we know the SC will uphold it. THIS is why it is over in this country, ALL red states will do this now.

This is why GOD DAMMIT you had to UNCONDITIONALLY SUPPORT HILLARY in 2016 GOD DAMMIT god damn YOU

If you said you had to hold your nose to vote for her and people heard you say it, YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR THIS

[Clouds Passing]

1. Everyone should obtain a certified copy of their and their children's birth certificates.

I renewed my passport recently. They now require a birth certificate with both parent’s names and the state’s official seal. It took about a week once filed (state of PA). They did an excellent job! It cost $30, would have cost $20 but I ordered it online which incurs a $10 fee.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Should, but many wont.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

5. When I got my very first passport in 1969

the State Department required birth certificate with seal and both parents' names.

Also, notice how quickly it arrived. A day or two ago here on DU someone was claiming new passports were taking 6 to 9 months. However, the poster didn't quote a source for that delay. And again, invariably, over the years scare stories about how long passports take are wrong. Wrong.

[Eliot Rosewater]

7. I DONT CARE, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and it COSTS money, GUESS WHICH party

and type of voter it will effect the most...

[Clouds Passing]

18. It is unconstitutional. Poor will be most affected.

Getting a passport is expensive $130-$180.

[Clouds Passing]

19. My passport took 2 weeks, start to finish.

[LauraInLA]

30. I do think they were talking about new passports, not renewals. It might be accurate -- I don't know.

I’ve had a passport since I was 17, so I’ve just been renewing.

[haele]

24. Requiring someone to get a copy of their birth certificate to vote is akin to a poll tax.

Also, there are people in this country who don't have a US birth certificate; especially IS Military dependents born overseas, or Americans born at home - or otherwise not in a hospital or with the help of a licenced medical professional.
These people generally get other forms of ID; in some states, all you needed was two reporting officials (like a priest, teacher, or police) or a census record plus, say, a military ID or notorized statement you were born and brought into a household or under guardianship in a certain location at a certain date.

Likewise, at one time, you could get a social security card without an original birth certificate, or certificate of foreign adoption; just a notarized statement of birth as above and a secondary ID such as a school or tribal record.

This might not be totally valid now, but you still don't officially need a birth certificate to get a Social Security number.

The only document I know of where a Birth Certificate is absolutely required for to prove a Natural Born Citizen is to get a RealID.

Haele

[Clouds Passing]

28. Yes, I agree.

I needed a birth certificate for Real ID drivers license and Proof of 1st marriage, divorce decree, 2nd marriage license, all certified copies.

[msfiddlestix]

36. Me too. It was kind of a nightmare for me, a lot of name changes, a couple of marriagges and divorces I had those

original documents with court seal, the cost wasn't too bad, but it was literally a lot of work navigating the different sbeauracries. and then the biggest hurdle is having to have the court grant my name change.
this process began before Covid and then during Covid. jeez. that was a pain.
But now of course it's all behind me and now that I'm going blind, I gave up my car, surrendered my DL posed for a photo to be associated with a regular California Real ID card. I think I'll get my passport now before it's too late for me to travel. I'm really glad I don't have to repeat those procedures A-gain.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. I would not have thought

New Hampshire would be so regressive.

I'm so glad I live in New Mexico. Not only is it largely Democratic, but it's incredibly easy to vote here. Early voting starts 28 days before election day. You can go to any voting location in your county. Ballots are printed up on the spot. Fill it out, hand to someone who runs it through a machine to make sure you didn't over or under vote.

Love it.

[Clouds Passing]

20. Me too 😀

[rogerballard]

4. One good thing, it will not effect this election

"New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu (R) signed a bill into law on Thursday that will require voters to present photo IDs and proof of citizenship, but it will not take effect until after the 2024 election."

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. True, but after this one...FUCK

[Coexist]

6. this will be overturned, mark my word. also - doesn't affect this cycle, so they have 2 years to get it tossed

However, the law won’t impact voters this year, since it won’t take effect until 60 days after passage.

State Rep. Angela Brennan (D) said Thursday there is bipartisan opposition to this bill.

“This bill HB1569, now signed into law, is unconstitutional and don’t just take my word for it— Republican Senator Jim Gray said so as well,” Brennan wrote in a post on X. “Expect extensive and expensive lawsuits on NH taxpayers’ dime. Thanks, NHGOP.”

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. You think this SC will overturn this? NEVER

Isnt this the kind of thing that can be appealed all the way to the US SC?

[Coexist]

10. the courts will

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. NOT if it is something that can be appealed all the way up to the US SC...they will rubber stamp it

Surely we have learned by now.

[FullySupportDems]

12. Many women's names don't even match their birth certificates

It's ridiculous. My birth certificate wasn't proof enough of my identity when I got a Real Id. It cost me real money to obtain the necessary documents with official raised seals. But it's good enough to vote?

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. Thank you for another example.

If I live long enough to see it, I know what I'm going to see in this country and it's going to be bad very very bad.

[FullySupportDems]

23. Oh, I hope you're wrong about the future

But I totally see your point. Maybe enough women will wake up to the nefarious ways we're oppressed make a difference in the future. Ignoring issues like with our IDs is just typical of how it works, and how life always seems to cost us more. Opps, like it's always an accident.

[edhopper]

14. Non native citizens can vote

Last I checked

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Nobody can vote unless they have a birth certificate or passport, both are a poll tax

They know which side of the political spectrum. This will impact the most.

This is a physical attack on my country.

[edhopper]

16. True

And non native citizens are not required to haveca passport either.

[Eliot Rosewater]

21. And which party are they most likely to vote for?

[haele]

29. Non-native citizens only need their Naturalization card or papers.

The ones in a Catch-22 are military dependants born overseas and foreign adoptees where the parents didn't get the children registered with the State Department as soon as they got to the US.
Lots of them discover too late that even though they were born to US citizens overseas or adopted and raised by US citizens, they technically aren't.

Haele

[UniqueUserName]

37. When I got my real ID, process was relatively easy

I'm only adding this anecdote because what is needed seems to vary from place to place based on the person processing your application as much as requirements.

I was born abroad to an American citizen. I have had a passport for a long time. But the website for my County for the requirements for a real ID included a birth certificate. I did take my birth certificate, and I took my registration of a citizen born abroad that my mother had obtained from the US Consulate when I was born. My birth certificate is handwritten but it is notarized with raised imprints by the proper official of the country.

The person processing my application for real ID, took the registration with the consulate of a US citizen born abroad was all that that person needed. I was presenting them my birth certificate and that person said "no this is what I need just this confirmation from the consulate."

All of that seems weird. The passport is proof of US citizenship. To me, all should have been required for the real ID would be the passport and two utility bills in my name at my location to verify that my address was actually real.

I do have white privilege. So nobody contested any of my documents verifying my identity. I agree with those in the conversation who say this is an unnecessary attempt at voter suppression. I suspect the documentation requirements are not being applied equally to all persons.

[lindysalsagal]

17. They'll try anything, but it will fail.

[Eliot Rosewater]

22. Why would it fail if it can be appealed to the corrupt SC?

[Emile]

25. What if you are a citizen, but was born in Cuba?

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Cant vote I guess.

[Initech]

27. Stop electing fucking stupid Infowars Fox News conspiracy theory addicted morons!

You know they are not going to do anything good, so stop it already!

[hadEnuf]

31. Ah, trying to stem the rampant voter fraud problem in NH, I see.

That, of course, doesn't exist what-so-ever.

There are 1,000,925 registered voters in NH.

There have been 15 cases of voter fraud investigated since 2016.

This is pure voter suppression, brought to you by the Heritage Foundation.

[Eliot Rosewater]

32. And that statistic is nationwide which includes a billion votes I believe

[AllaN01Bear]

33. start a lawsuit . asap this is a poll tax and not allowed

[Eliot Rosewater]

34. Right, which any non corrupt court will say it is a poll tax so they will appeal it all the way to the

SC who I GUARANTEE you will say it isnt so this voter suppression can continue.

[msfiddlestix]

35. How is proving your identity as a U.S. citizen un-constitutional?

I'm old as dirt, so my memory of civics class way back in the day, is a bit fuzzy.
I feel like I remember that in order to be able to vote, you had to be a legal citizen?

[ScratchCat]

38. I agree

This is one of the main reasons Republicans get away with insisting their is massive voting fraud by non-citizens. And by "this", I mean the reactions to proving you are a citizen by Democrats. I don't get it. Its not a "poll tax". Its ridiculous to act this way. How else are you to prove you are a citizen? Citizens of NH have FOUR YEARS to obtain the document. Four years.

[msfiddlestix]

39. I agree. I feel like our folks are not thinking this through. How easy would it be for foreign despot leaders to send

people here to pose as immigrants seeking asylum but are actually here to influence our elections?

Oh Wait. As it turns out, this has already happened in TSFs first term.

Not a poll tax. It's a security measure against a real threat to our democracy.