Watching red states require PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP to vote

[Eliot Rosewater]

Knowing goddamn well this criminal Supreme Court will uphold it and then it will affect Democrats way more than Republicans, of course, and thinking back to comments about "have to hold my nose to vote for"

I wish I could hold your fucking nose right now.

[Walleye]

1. I think Supreme Court justices should have to show their birth certificates

And Republican senators too

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Thank you

[Emile]

3. Official birth certificate from the county courthouse

or hospital? Copy's of an official birth certificate cost money.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. So do passports, this is why it is a poll tax 100%

But we have a criminal Supreme Court who will uphold it and it's the end.

[Attilatheblond]

8. Yep, and women may incur more costs to get certified copy of marriage certific to show why name changed

It's a POLL TAX along with a ploy to suppress the vote.

CDC index by state for VITAL RECORDS: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm] Please share everywhere you can. I even created business cards with this info, using Avery business cards and the templets for designing cards on the Avery website. I leave the cards at churches, civic clubs, and such places.

[Think. Again.]

5. What? You don't have to be born here to vote here...

...anyone asking for a birth certificate before letting a citizen vote should immediately arrested.

[Attilatheblond]

6. Thanks for reminding me. I need to get a certified copy of my first marriage certificate,

the document with my maiden name and showing why I now go by a different surname. Just one more penalty and cost for being born female and following a tradition at marriage. Gee, do ya suppose that's one of the reasons for this whole birth certificate thing? One way to cross a lot of females off the voter rolls because their birth certificates don't match their current name?

For other women who may need that marriage certificate to show why birth surname and current surname don't match, and people who need to get copies of their birth certificates, here is the CDC link for vital records by state.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/w2w/index.htm]

Do it NOW. Ask your local DEM HQ if there is anyone in your location who might help with the cost of the needed documents if you are in dire financial straits. Or ask local civic groups, even churches. But get what you need to prevent the GOP voter suppression from keeping you from voting.

[Ms. Toad]

18. It's not accurate.

Ohio permits a non-photo ID in certain circumstances. It is listed as Photo ID only. You cannot vote in person without a photo ID (aside from religious exemptions) but you can vote absentee by mail/drop-off using the last 4 digits of your social security number. There are also religious exemptions.

[Lovie777]

9. Like Americans/POC don't have them.............

we do.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. I am saying there are communities that tend not to and people who dont have any MONEY or

time to get them etc.

They do this for a reason, they know which side it will hurt the most.

And I am also saying many WHITE democrats wont have them...I didnt until recently and got it for a passport, but they cost WAY MORE.

[Lovie777]

14. Same for the white GQP..............

the cult is hurting their own. But alas, shithole did say, elections will be no more.

[superpatriotman]

10. The hospital I was born in is long gone and I only have a copy

And my name was different on my birth certificate.

However, I’ve had a Social Security card/number for over fifty years, been registered to vote for forty, voted in every presidential race and many midterms since, and registered for Selective Service at 18.

If someone tries to give me a problem, there’s going to be a lawsuit.

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. I hope a maga judge doesnt decide your case.

[LeftInTX]

16. You obtain your birth certificate from the county clerk, not the hospital.

Your birth was registered with the county when you were born.

[Mariana]

25. The state vital records office would probably be able to issue one as well.

We recently discovered that my father's death wasn't ever recorded in the county. The copies of the death certificate we got at the time were issued by the state.

[Ms. Toad]

20. In some states, that would not be enough.

And your birth certificate isn't tied to the hospital. Birth certificates are kept in some sort of vital records bureau, either at the county or state level.

[Emile]

29. Your official birth certificate is at the county courthouse

in the county you were born in. You need copies of this whenever you have a death in the family.

[Emile]

30. Social Security use to print on your SS card not for identification.

With all the stolen ID's nowadays, they should go back to that policy.

[Emile]

13. Has Trump ever shown us his birth certificate?

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. Or tax returns.

[MagickMuffin]

17. It's already a requirement in Texas

I had to produce my birth certificate to renew my drivers license. Never had to do so ever. The DPS employees were rather rude when I tried to renew it the first time. I then had register online to schedule an appointment which was 3 months out.

[Eliot Rosewater]

21. thank you

[Ms. Toad]

19. I have not seen any states which REQUIRE a birth certificate to vote.

What I have seen are states permitting a birth certificate to be used as one form of ID (with alternative options such as a driver's license or passport).

[MagickMuffin]

22. It is now a requirement in Texas to renew your drivers license

You have to have a photo ID to vote in Texas, therefore, you must present your birth certificate to renew your drivers license.

[Ms. Toad]

24. A driver's license is not the only acceptable ID for voting in Texas. n/t

[MagickMuffin]

26. That is true, but a photo ID is and in order to receive a photo ID requires a birth certificate

I worked the elections in Texas from 2008-2016 and a photo ID was a requirement, however, you didn’t have to produce a birth certificate to acquire a photo ID.

Of course the laws have become more radicalized because of our legislators and I’m not up to date on the current laws, except you have to produce a birth certificate to obtain a photo ID in Texas.

[Ms. Toad]

28. Is a birth certificate required for a handgun license?

That is an acceptable form of ID voting in Texas. There are 7 forms of ID. That is the one that jumped out a least likely to require a birth certificate.

But the real point is that there have been several threads claiming that red states are requiring birth certificates to vote. But each of the articles has identified states allowing birth certificates as one form of ID in some states, not THE form of ID. While many forms of photo IDs require birth certificates, not all do. So until a birth certificate is literally required as the only acceptable form of ID, jumping on these articles to declare red states are requiring birth certificate to vote is just confirmation bias, resulting in passing on alarmist misinformation.

That said, I have been sounding the alarm about states requiring the equivalent of a Real ID, long before it was even called that, because of how discriminatory it is to women and minorities. When I started talking about it perhaps 15 years ago, the DU response was largely to tell me that it was a perfectly reasonable requirement, because everyone has (or can easily get) one. I guess I should be happy that at least that attitude has changed.

[MagickMuffin]

31. Don't know about guns since I don't own one

However, you no longer need a permit to have a gun. When I worked the elections (before Abbott allowed no permit required) people did vote with their concealed carry photo IDs. I thought it was wrong since Texas refuses to allow college IDs to vote.


Like I pointed out, I personally have never had to present my birth certificate to renew my drivers license. This is new. And I already had the Real ID, so it didn’t have anything to do with that. So, I guess if I had refused to provide my birth certificate and tried to vote I would be allowed to this time around, but the next election, I would not because I wouldn’t have a current photo ID, then I’d have to provide my birth certificate to receive a new license.

But the point of all of this is to make it harder for people to cast a ballot.

[Ms. Toad]

32. It doesn't matter if you need a permit or not.

It is an acceptable form of ID to vote in Texas - and if it doesn't require a birth certificate, then birth certificates are not even a supporting document that is required to obtain the ID required to vote.

I agree that whole-heartedly that it is a problem that states are making it more difficult to vote. I've been making that point on DU for at least 15 years. That isn't why I responded in this thread.

Increasingly on DU, we are acting out of confirmation bias, and spreading misinformation - EVEN when the articles expressly contradict the title of the article, or the point being made by the OP on DU. Spreading misinformation (that red states are requiring birth certificates to vote) is a problem - even when it is similar to the truth (states - predominantly, but not exclusively, red states) have been making it more difficult to vote in ways that particularly discriminate against women and minorities for at least 2 decades)

[LeftInTX]

27. You can sign a reasonable impediment in Texas

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/pol-sub/reasonable-impediment-declaration.pdf

[msfiddlestix]

23. In California, when you renew your DL, you are actually applying for what is called here a Real ID which requires Birth

Certificates and possibly more documentation of your identity if say you changed your name when you got married or for any other purpose, after those hurdles are cleared verifying your identity, the rest of the process establishing your ability to pass a written test, possibly a drivers test, and eye exam, you have the option of registering to vote via DMV,.

Once done, each election cycle you will receive voter pamphlets , sample ballots and THEN a mail in ballot which will include a bar code printed on the envelope and ballot, your identity based on DMV info.

There are no demands on proving your identity with a birth certificate at the precincts, should you choose to drop off your mai-in ballot there. there are still polling centers, and no longer work in any of them, and have no idea how busy they are now with same day registeration, but I have to imagine a California Real ID is required.

Why this system isn't in place across the country is mind boggling.

But birth certificates are required to get a valid driver's licence (or a regular id card if you don't drive) here now. Which actually is a good thing because in California our population is significant and there's no other sane way to maintain and manage voter id verification.unless we are injected with a chip that can be scanned, which no doubt is in the future.