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DFW

(57,840 posts)
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 12:31 PM Apr 14

So, if Salvador's president "of course" isn't going to return the wrongly deported man......

Can a brigade of National Guard or State Police, completely in violation of all courts, detain their President Ukulele as long as they see fit?

What an asshole--he said he's not going to smuggle Kilmar back into the USA. No one asked him to. A coach class airplane ticket, with Kilmar's name on the plane's manifest, would do just fine.

Institutionalized cruelty--the trade mark of Trump and everyone that likes working with him.

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So, if Salvador's president "of course" isn't going to return the wrongly deported man...... (Original Post) DFW Apr 14 OP
Not to mention the end of the rule of law. Scrivener7 Apr 14 #1
When the turd ran for any election that was the end of the rule of law. rich7862 Apr 14 #4
In 2015 when the markodochartaigh Apr 14 #18
You're right, of course. Still, it's heartbreaking to watch hit happen. Scrivener7 Apr 14 #6
trump and Rubio must be paying him for each person he holds, just like private prisons charge. Escurumbele Apr 14 #27
This Ukulele is a complete asshole. n/t Dennis Donovan Apr 14 #2
But he's the Prez al dente! dchill Apr 14 #28
Well, that's a new take on "Eat the rich." soldierant Apr 14 #41
El Prez had better hope Trump is president forever autorank Apr 15 #50
Trump got people out of Russia, and N Korea, but El Salvador, hell no. RoeVWade Apr 14 #3
The trDUMP team got the Tate Brothers,... magicarpet Apr 14 #11
Trump likely told him to say no Attilatheblond Apr 14 #34
Bukele: "How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it."... riversedge Apr 14 #5
Bukele is just following Trump's orders. sop Apr 14 #7
For Trump to ask for the return of Kilmar, Trump would have to admit it was a mistake. That is something that no LiberalArkie Apr 14 #8
In particular, TRUMP has never admitted to a mistake. dchill Apr 14 #33
Not just cruelty, but an FU from Trump to any court that tries to stop him. highplainsdem Apr 14 #9
+1 dalton99a Apr 14 #10
Someone needs to take this to the International Court of Justice, even if it seems futile William Seger Apr 14 #12
amen to that markie Apr 14 #15
Absolutely! SheltieLover Apr 14 #35
Even Biden didn't respect the Intl Court. :( TommyT139 Apr 15 #51
Time for us to introduce a resolution in Congress demanding his return and cutting off funding for this gulag hellhole. benfranklin1776 Apr 14 #13
Yes!!! SheltieLover Apr 14 #36
✊🏼 🗽✊🏼 benfranklin1776 Apr 14 #37
Yes we are! SheltieLover Apr 14 #38
I wonder if DOJ lawyers will use this HereForTheParty Apr 14 #14
It wouldn't surprise me. DFW Apr 14 #17
NO BOTTOM vapor2 Apr 14 #29
We need proof of life. nature-lover Apr 14 #16
That was my thought... Dan Apr 14 #32
Maybe here is the problem. Remember, with Trump, it is NEVER his mistake. usaf-vet Apr 14 #19
"The Trump administration just last week changed a travel advisory for El Salvador, Pinback Apr 14 #20
JFC it is so unbelievably SICK!!! LymphocyteLover Apr 14 #24
This is not a Christian president Mtnmama Apr 14 #21
he is a sick man and actually fits all of the criteria of the Antichrist. LymphocyteLover Apr 14 #23
Just Contacted My Congress Critters Grumpy Old Woman Apr 14 #22
Yes, I've been meaning to do that LymphocyteLover Apr 14 #25
If we could get Brittney Griner back from the Russians we can get Abrego back from this piss-ant Xipe Totec Apr 14 #26
Trump will likely declare a "State of Exception" like Bukele has in El Salvador. sop Apr 14 #30
Now what? nt TheSocialDem Apr 14 #31
Simple return trip damifino10 Apr 14 #39
I'd like to see State Police do that... AntiFascist Apr 14 #40
Why when your part of criminal cabal............and get paid for it............... turbinetree Apr 14 #42
Whose part? DFW Apr 14 #43
These two are not going to do anything ............the guy from El Salvador and the orange hair guy..............sorry turbinetree Apr 14 #44
So, are we pretending that he's not being paid to keep him? chowmama Apr 14 #45
Congress needs to obey the Supreme Court and Emile Apr 14 #46
This is horrifying madness. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 14 #47
He's doing Trump's bidding iemanja Apr 15 #48
If that were an order from the Supreme Court, Trump would ignore that too. DFW Apr 15 #49
the look on trump's face proud patriot Apr 15 #52

markodochartaigh

(2,731 posts)
18. In 2015 when the
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 01:55 PM
Apr 14

Republicans chose an authoritarian Strong Leader who was not committed to democracy as the head of their party, the writing was on the wall.

Escurumbele

(3,771 posts)
27. trump and Rubio must be paying him for each person he holds, just like private prisons charge.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:00 PM
Apr 14

The take of all this is the fact that trump sent an special envoy to Venezuela to "negotiate" with Maduro, well not "negotiate", according to them "they were not there to negotiate but to let the dictator know what he had to do", and some of it was to release all the USA citizens the dictator apprehended, and I believe that number was 12 at the time, the other "order" was for Maduro to take ALL of the "Tren de Aragua" criminals.

1. Maduro left the "Special Envoy" waiting inside their plane for hours.
2. Maduro did not return ALL the USA people he was "ordered" to let go. He only released six.
3. Maduro DID NOT take ALL the "Tren de Aragua" criminals, and the few he did were welcomed by Maduro's righ-hand-man, Diosdado Cabello, as heroes, which leads me to believe these criminals were sent on purpose to hurt Biden/Kamala campaign, and I would not doubt trump had something to do with it This fantasy that trump is going to bring down Maduro is just that, a fantasy, trump admires Maduro.
4. Little Marco had to go running to El Salvador to negotiate with Bukele, so now the USA is paying Bukele to hold those criminals in his jails, the Tax Payers are paying for it.

Maduro cleaned his butt with trump/Rubio, and why? Because Maduro is protected by Putin.

autorank

(29,481 posts)
50. El Prez had better hope Trump is president forever
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:38 AM
Apr 15

If any of the people he's housing are harmed in any way, the Prez may get a chance to enjoy a federal super-MAX.

magicarpet

(18,109 posts)
11. The trDUMP team got the Tate Brothers,...
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 01:20 PM
Apr 14

.... out of Romania to visit MAGA Lardo and play a few rounds of golf.
But getting Garcia out of El Salvador is a no deal - Art of the Deal this Fascist clown can't pull off ? What bullshit,.. who do they think they are fooling ?

Attilatheblond

(5,723 posts)
34. Trump likely told him to say no
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:31 PM
Apr 14

And that might be due to illegally deported man is already messed up or un-alived. Also, that way, Trump can blame foreign leader for Trump not obeying court order to return the man stateside.

riversedge

(75,249 posts)
5. Bukele: "How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it."...
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 12:41 PM
Apr 14

Bukele is and dangerous as Trump.

BREAKING: In a shocking moment, President Bukele says he won't return Abrego Garcia, who was accidentally sent to El Salvador. "How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? Of course I'm not going to do it."




sop

(13,895 posts)
7. Bukele is just following Trump's orders.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 12:50 PM
Apr 14

Abrego Garcia will never leave El Salvador as long as Trump has anything to say about it. Dictator Don needs something to distract corporate media from his tariffs fiasco, Bukele's torture gulag should keep the media occupied with "due process" stories for a while.

LiberalArkie

(18,022 posts)
8. For Trump to ask for the return of Kilmar, Trump would have to admit it was a mistake. That is something that no
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 01:05 PM
Apr 14

authoritarian has never done or will ever do.

William Seger

(11,562 posts)
12. Someone needs to take this to the International Court of Justice, even if it seems futile
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 01:20 PM
Apr 14

... just like a lot of people need to be talking seriously about impeachment, even if it seems futile. Not doing anything is a guaranteed loser.

TommyT139

(1,308 posts)
51. Even Biden didn't respect the Intl Court. :(
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:45 AM
Apr 15

Most recently because we would have had to stop helping Israel with genocide.

benfranklin1776

(6,817 posts)
13. Time for us to introduce a resolution in Congress demanding his return and cutting off funding for this gulag hellhole.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 01:26 PM
Apr 14

And suspending any and all monetary transfers of any kind to ElSalvador until this man is rightfully returned. Make the Rethuglicans go on record supporting their orange master’s terrorist thuggery if they dare.
While that is going on the Judge overseeing his case needs to find Agent Orange in contempt and fine his sorry ass personally a million dollars a day until this man is returned. 🤬🤬

Pinback

(13,172 posts)
20. "The Trump administration just last week changed a travel advisory for El Salvador,
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 02:30 PM
Apr 14

…grouping it with some of the least dangerous countries for Americans to visit.”
- NY Times today

Oh yeah, great place for a destination wedding!

This should not be a decision for the Salvadoran dictator. But since we’re now fighting our own dictator, that’s where we are. Horrifying.

Mtnmama

(18 posts)
21. This is not a Christian president
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 02:34 PM
Apr 14

And any person serving him cannot be Christian. Most hypocritical president and republican party ever. I just pray they all get the same cruelty they so easily inflict on others.

Xipe Totec

(44,320 posts)
26. If we could get Brittney Griner back from the Russians we can get Abrego back from this piss-ant
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 02:55 PM
Apr 14

It's just a farce. He's doing whatever Trump tells him to do.

sop

(13,895 posts)
30. Trump will likely declare a "State of Exception" like Bukele has in El Salvador.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:04 PM
Apr 14

"In March, 2022...the Legislative Assembly, at Bukele’s order, responded by decreeing a State of Exception giving extraordinary powers to the Police and suspending procedural guarantees and constitutional rights such as freedom of association and the right to private communications. These measures, which the law prescribes to last for a month, have been extended 24 times and are still in place. In two years, at least 78,175 people have been detained and incarcerated, at times for the mere reason of appearing nervous to a police officer. Today, 2.46 percent of the Salvadoran adult population is in prison."

El Salvador has the highest incarceration rate in the world.

https://elfaro.net/en/202404/el_salvador/27302/bukele-must-be-investigated-for-torture-under-the-state-of-exception

damifino10

(86 posts)
39. Simple return trip
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 05:12 PM
Apr 14

The next load of prisoners shipped there, simply put the gentleman on board for the return trip to Ununitrd States
of America.
Next fucking case!!!

AntiFascist

(13,250 posts)
40. I'd like to see State Police do that...
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 06:04 PM
Apr 14

it would really bring this Constitutional Crisis to a head.

turbinetree

(26,046 posts)
44. These two are not going to do anything ............the guy from El Salvador and the orange hair guy..............sorry
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 07:29 PM
Apr 14

my clarification...........

chowmama

(738 posts)
45. So, are we pretending that he's not being paid to keep him?
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:01 PM
Apr 14

Stop the payments, he gets out. Pay him to give him back - we get him back. El Presidente doesn't do anything for free, but will do anything for money.

On the other hand, if he's already dead or too damaged to avoid an international incident, that might be a motive for keeping him for free. I prefer to think El Presidente is being well paid to keep him.

When is the press going to follow the money?

Emile

(34,237 posts)
46. Congress needs to obey the Supreme Court and
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 08:05 PM
Apr 14

stop sending our tax dollars to El Salvador to keep people in prison.

iemanja

(55,890 posts)
48. He's doing Trump's bidding
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 12:14 AM
Apr 15

That much is obvious. The clear remedy is for SCOTUS to demand no one else be sent to El Salvador.

DFW

(57,840 posts)
49. If that were an order from the Supreme Court, Trump would ignore that too.
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 01:33 AM
Apr 15

Some day (I hope), this "so whatcha gonna do about it?" attitude is going to get him in trouble. If I could only figure out from whom! His worst enemy right now seems to be Mother Nature. No matter how lucky he got with his cholesterol tolerance, no executive order is going to unclog his arteries.

proud patriot

(101,855 posts)
52. the look on trump's face
Tue Apr 15, 2025, 02:14 AM
Apr 15

when the el savador president said "he wouldn't return a terrorist to the U.S." was pure
EVIL Wickedness .

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