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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:36 AM May 2013

Amanda's mom died in 2006 of a broken heart. "The visit with the psychic was the breaking point"

Last edited Tue May 7, 2013, 02:58 PM - Edit history (1)

So, if there was any "closure" it was a contributing factor to her cause of death. Involuntary manslaughter, perhaps?




The case was featured on “American’s Most Wanted.” Louwana Miller appeared on Montel Williams’ nationally-syndicated talk show in November 2004. On the show, a psychic told Miller that Amanda was probably dead.

“I still don’t want to believe it,” Louwana Miller said in an interview after the show. “I want to have hope but . . . what else is there?”

Activist Art McKoy befriended Louwana Miller during her ordeal. He said he could tell that the stress and heartache were wearing her down. The visit with the psychic was the breaking point, he said.

“From that point, Ms. Miller was never the same,” McKoy said. “I think she had given up.”

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/amanda_berrys_mother_louwana_m.html






ETA the above excerpt I just found on Google books: http://books.google.co.id/books?id=LcLBGdkLI0EC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=Louwana++miller+%22died+of+a+broken+heart%22&source=bl&ots=7-kK4ZWyDR&sig=upGjoA5R3VWwbLkd8Pr_0MFjhJg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-ZyIUdm2MoGTrgefkoHQBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Amanda's mom died in 2006 of a broken heart. "The visit with the psychic was the breaking point" (Original Post) Turborama May 2013 OP
That "psychic" was Sylvia Browne. Archae May 2013 #1
Was That The Missouri Case? DallasNE May 2013 #11
The stress & angst of worrying about what her daughter had gone through as well as not knowing pacalo May 2013 #2
Never trust a psychic sakabatou May 2013 #3
+1000 Cali_Democrat May 2013 #5
Correct name is "Con man". never trust a con man. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #10
Psychotic Reader. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #23
A broken heart is different than 'heart failure' Tx4obama May 2013 #4
I'm going by what her family and friends are saying... Turborama May 2013 #8
Right, and severe emotional distress can have a significant impact on health. Gormy Cuss May 2013 #20
Why would you say it's probably not relevant? She was only 44... Turborama May 2013 #26
Probably not relevant because the study had a narrow focus Gormy Cuss May 2013 #28
Sylvia "Fraudulent Hag" Browne. longship May 2013 #6
Just found a really good exposé by Jon Ronson in the Guardian Turborama May 2013 #16
Jon Ronson of "The Men Who Stare at Goats" fame! longship May 2013 #29
That sucks! Cha May 2013 #7
Despicable pokerfan May 2013 #9
This is why LostOne4Ever May 2013 #12
a charge of involuntary manslaughter against whom? cali May 2013 #13
This brings me to tears SummerSnow May 2013 #14
I despise most of these so-called psychics Downtown Hound May 2013 #15
I have a friend who was told by a psychic that her runaway child was dead. Gormy Cuss May 2013 #27
Fans lash out at Sylvia Browne over false prediction Turborama May 2013 #17
You know how this will go, right? Orrex May 2013 #22
Sort of reminds me of the suicide attributed to Nancy Grace's on-air accusations... Blue_Tires May 2013 #18
"What's the harm?" Orrex May 2013 #19
+ 1,000,000. opiate69 May 2013 #25
omg...how awful. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2013 #21
Losing hope is THE WORST thing ever, imho OneGrassRoot May 2013 #24
Woo kills. Convinced now? 2ndAmForComputers May 2013 #30

Archae

(46,262 posts)
1. That "psychic" was Sylvia Browne.
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:49 AM
May 2013

Same con artist who completely blew it in another kidnapping case.

Told the relatives a boy was dead, he was held captive by a pervert.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
2. The stress & angst of worrying about what her daughter had gone through as well as not knowing
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:56 AM
May 2013

if her daughter was alive or not. This is heartbreaking.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. A broken heart is different than 'heart failure'
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:03 AM
May 2013

From the OP article...

-snip-

She died of heart failure at a Lakewood rehabilitation center, said her sister, Theresa. She had been hospitalized since December for pancreatitis and other ailments.

-snip-


Turborama

(22,109 posts)
8. I'm going by what her family and friends are saying...
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:11 AM
May 2013
Berry's mother, Louwana Miller , who had been hospitalized for months with pancreatitis and other ailments, died in March 2006 (*at the age of 47). She had spent the previous three years looking for her daughter, whose disappearance took a toll as her health steadily deteriorated, family and friends said.

Councilwoman Dona Brady said she had spent many hours with Miller, who never gave up hope that her daughter was alive.

"She literally died of a broken heart," Brady said.


http://www.montereyherald.com/ci_23184897/2-women-missing-decade-found-alive-ohio?source=most_viewed



*extra info. added by me

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
20. Right, and severe emotional distress can have a significant impact on health.
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:25 PM
May 2013

While probably not relevant in this instance, it has also been documented that heart issues have arisen in otherwise healthy people after a sudden emotional stress. IOW, people can indeed die of "a broken heart" after such a loss.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/health/10heart.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
26. Why would you say it's probably not relevant? She was only 44...
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:36 PM
May 2013
Browne announced the death of Amanda Berry in 2004, when she appeared on Williams' show to tell Berry's mother, Louwana Miller, that her daughter was "in heaven and on the other side" and that her last words were "goodbye, mom, I love you". Miller would die a year later of heart failure.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/07/sylvia-browne-amanda-berry-cleveland


I hope you don't think I'm being snarky, just curious.

Interesting article, thanks for sharing.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
28. Probably not relevant because the study had a narrow focus
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:54 PM
May 2013

on immediate response to the stress even in otherwise heart-healthy individuals. This child's mother died years after the disappearance and had a host of other ailments. I'm not implying that it didn't exarcerbate her health issues, only saying that the linked study results may not be relevant in this case because it was looking at more immediate correlations between the stress and the heart issues.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. Sylvia "Fraudulent Hag" Browne.
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:06 AM
May 2013

Another prominent case, that of Shawn Hornbeck where Sylvia Browne's made up shit publically proved to be wrong. The video of Sylvia working over Hornbeck's parents shows how utterly heartless she is.



Sylvia on George Noory's all night radio woo fest on the night of the Sago mine disaster was yet another case of Sylvia caught with her knickers in a bunch. Reported here: http://www.csicop.org/si/show/psychic_defective_sylvia_brownes_history_of_failure/

Sylvia Browne preys on people. I don't believe in heaven or Hell, but I would like to believe that there is a special inner circle of Hell especially for people of the likes of Sylvia Browne. And I don't feel much more compassionate about her enablers, people like Monty Williams and Larry King. May they all rot in Hell.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
16. Just found a really good exposé by Jon Ronson in the Guardian
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:04 PM
May 2013

I'm amazed she's still got people following her...

Sylvia Browne: is she for real?


Sylvia Browne is famous for telling distraught parents where their missing children are – but as in the case of Amanda Berry, she gets it wrong. A lot. So why does she still have such a massive following? Jon Ronson took a cruise with America's most controversial psychic to find out: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/27/usa.jonronson

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. Jon Ronson of "The Men Who Stare at Goats" fame!
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:15 PM
May 2013

That guy's fucking awesome!

If you don't know about Jon Ronson, you don't know shit. This guy has his head on right. In other words, he doesn't take any of it too seriously but simultaneously realizes that there's something radically fucked up about things.

R&K

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
12. This is why
Tue May 7, 2013, 04:06 AM
May 2013

its important to expose these type of shenanigans from anyone or institution who peddles false hopes.

These parents were desperate for any type of hope and she dashed that hope. I doubt any parent who come to her asking about missing kids have EVER been told they were alive, because its more statistically likely they are dead after something like the first 48 hours and it covers her lying ass.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
15. I despise most of these so-called psychics
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:23 AM
May 2013

I'm actually a pretty open minded person who doesn't discount the possibility of genuine psychics, but most of those offering their "services" to people are frauds and scumbags who prey on lost souls. I knew one girl who's "psychic" convinced her not to have an abortion for her child who's father had already abandoned them. She ended up having the child and it eventually got taken away by the state because she couldn't afford to take care of it. That sent her into a tailspin of depression for which she had to be hospitalized.

She never truly recovered. Last I saw her she was living in some group home somewhere. Fucking "psychics."

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
27. I have a friend who was told by a psychic that her runaway child was dead.
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:47 PM
May 2013

The child had been missing for a year at that point. The psychic's words plunged my friend into a months long depression. Five years later the now adult child called home and reunited with the family.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
17. Fans lash out at Sylvia Browne over false prediction
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:13 PM
May 2013
Katie Rogers in New York
Tuesday May 7 2013 15.29 BST

One of the world's most recognizable self-proclaimed psychics was wrong yet again about the fate of a missing child, and her followers on social media are taking her to task.

Browne's prediction about Amanda Berry's fate was not the first child whose fate she attempted to explain, but her fans on social media are waiting for acknowledgment from the self-proclaimed spiritual leader.

On Facebook and Twitter, Browne sends inspirational messages to hundreds of thousands of fans, often advertising her latest appearances or one of 45 books she's published over the years (most recently Afterlives of the Rich and Famous). She reached a high level of visibility after years appearing as a regular guest on Montel Williams' television show, a long-running daytime talk program that subsisted on paternity test results, cheating spouses and half-baked psychic predictions before it finally stopped production in 2008.

"I remember you on Montel Williams telling the family of Amanda Berry she was dead," wrote one commenter on Browne's Facebook page. "What do you have to say for yourself? What a horrible horrible thing to say to a family holding on to nothing but hope and faith."

"Can you admit that you're a hack now?" asked another.

"I hope todays events seal it for you and everyone else who take advantage of those in mourning," wrote another.

Not likely.

Browne announced the death of Amanda Berry in 2004, when she appeared on Williams' show to tell Berry's mother, Louwana Miller, that her daughter was "in heaven and on the other side" and that her last words were "goodbye, mom, I love you". Miller would die a year later of heart failure.

Full article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/07/sylvia-browne-amanda-berry-cleveland

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
22. You know how this will go, right?
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:28 PM
May 2013

Browne will claim something along the lines of:

"I counseled the mother that she would not see her daughter alive again, and sadly I was completely correct in this prediction."


Truth is poisonous to these parasites.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
19. "What's the harm?"
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:25 PM
May 2013

That's always the question when bullshit is offered up as a reasonable alternative to reality.

This is true of a wide range of nonsensical snake oils, and it's sad that it takes an example like this to highlight the predatory nature of these vile charlatans.

Sadder still is the fact that Browne, like all other debunked "psychics," will still have her acolytes and will continue to leech money from the credulous.


Disgusting.

OneGrassRoot

(22,917 posts)
24. Losing hope is THE WORST thing ever, imho
Tue May 7, 2013, 03:32 PM
May 2013

I definitely believe chronic stress and despair affects our health.

I don't doubt that Amanda's mom did, in essence, die of a broken heart, having lost hope.

Personally, I'm appalled by a psychic telling someone their loved one is dead, as well as a detective or forensic investigator or whomever who quotes statistics and evidence as proof that their loved one is almost assuredly dead and then advises that they should move on with their lives.

In both cases they are taking away hope though they don't KNOW for sure.

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