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Bail? Really? (Original Post) bigtree May 2013 OP
$8 Million... KharmaTrain May 2013 #1
The AMOUNT is not the POINT. WinkyDink May 2013 #2
it is the process zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #3
got me thinking, wondering bigtree May 2013 #4
I always thought it was all about flight risk. Robb May 2013 #6
what about danger to the community bigtree May 2013 #8
No bail usually means Blue_Tires May 2013 #10
So, no due process? HappyMe May 2013 #5
I'm thinking there are about 50 other charges coming down the pike.. pipoman May 2013 #7
I hope you're right. lapislzi May 2013 #9
I am not a supporter of the death penalty pipoman May 2013 #11
nope. Decades in solitary in a supermax prison would be worse. mucifer May 2013 #13
Looks like Ohio pipoman May 2013 #15
nah, give them gen pop. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #16
Agreed. I'm no fan of state-sponsored murder. lapislzi May 2013 #14
I think that some places sharp_stick May 2013 #12

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
1. $8 Million...
Thu May 9, 2013, 08:58 AM
May 2013

...I kinda don't think he has that kinda money lying around. He'll be cooling his heels in the grey bar hotel for quite some time to come...

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
4. got me thinking, wondering
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:03 AM
May 2013

. . . what the threshold is for refusing a suspect bail. The circumstances here would seem to me to be a slam-dunk for no-bail.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
6. I always thought it was all about flight risk.
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:05 AM
May 2013

Dude has access to a jet and a lot of cash, no bail.

bigtree

(85,919 posts)
8. what about danger to the community
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:09 AM
May 2013

. . . dude kidnapped three women and subjected them to repeated assaults. No ambiguity about whether he is involved . . . I do understand that the judge isn't stupid enough to put bail within his reach, but I wonder why the system allows someone in this particular circumstance even a remote chance at freedom?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. No bail usually means
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:31 AM
May 2013

Immediate danger to those around him, or fight risk...

I think the situation would be different had the police found an arsenal of explosives, or a well-worn passport(s) or if they believed there was some group of sympathetic friends/relatives who would help him flee...

Although given the notoriety and high profile of the case, I'm very surprised bail was offered...

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. I'm thinking there are about 50 other charges coming down the pike..
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:08 AM
May 2013

and if looks like he will be posting bail a few more million dollar charges will be filed about the time he hands over the bail money..don't know..just suspect..

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
9. I hope you're right.
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:26 AM
May 2013

I don't like the thoughts I am thinking right now. And I would guess others, closer to this case, are thinking them too.

He would not be safe outside of prison walls. Not that I think he deserves the safety of same, but keeping him alive might yield some information of value that could prevent these crimes in the future, or offer clues into the pathology of monstrosity.

After they've exhausted any usefulness he might have, they can kill him. <--I have never said this before in a DU post. I hope I never have to say it again.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
11. I am not a supporter of the death penalty
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:31 AM
May 2013

but believe the victims shouldn't have to die for the punishment for the crime to exceed the penalty for murder..if the death penalty applies to anything, it should be for monsters like this..there are worse things than death..too bad we can't find one for these assholes to enjoy for the remainder of their miserable existences..

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
15. Looks like Ohio
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:56 AM
May 2013

has something they call "supermax"..don't know how it compares to ADX Florence..I interviewed several ADX Florence prisoners a number of years ago..they were far more content with their lot in life than these assholes deserve to ever be...maybe life in maximum security gen pop would be more fun for them..solitary confinement = safety..they should never feel safe again, I'm sure their victims will not..

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
14. Agreed. I'm no fan of state-sponsored murder.
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:38 AM
May 2013

But...even the most compassionate and empathic among us (and I'm nowhere near that) eventually discover the point beyond which they cannot go.

As a humanist, I can find no compassion in my heart for this person. I'm not proud of that.

I'm also not a big slinger-around of the "E" word ("EVIL&quot , but I am making another exception here.

I cannot imagine that this person has any redeeming feature that would make it worth preserving his life. None at all. Glad I don't have to sit in the judge's chair on this one.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
12. I think that some places
Thu May 9, 2013, 09:32 AM
May 2013

don't allow courts to refuse bail so they make it impossible for the defendant to actually get it. At 2,000,000 per charge I don't think this guy is actually even going to meet with a bonding company.

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