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Have fun in jail, dickhead.
NEW LEBANON, N.Y. - A man has been charged under the New York State SAFE Act after troopers found he had a handgun in his car with the loaded magazine containing nine rounds of ammunition, rather than the limit of seven rounds.
State Police issued a traffic stop for 31-year-old Gregory Dean of Hopewell Junction on Route 22 in New Lebanon Sunday night for an inadequate license plate lamp.
While interviewing Dean, troopers observed a handgun on the front passenger seat that was partially covered by a sweatshirt. Investigation revealed a Smith and Wesson semi-automatic .40 caliber handgun was legally possessed, but police say it was revealed that the loaded magazine contained nine rounds of ammunition, rather than the limit of seven rounds, as required by the SAFE Act.
http://www.news10.com/story/22236238/troopers-make-safe-act-arrest-in-new-lebanon
derby378
(30,252 posts)Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
When your legislators pass stupid laws, you get stupid results. The SAFE Act is a cosmic joke.
Hopefully it is repealed soon and this guy is compensated for having his life fucked over two rounds. Jack booted thugs in action.
.99center
(1,237 posts)His life would still be "fucked", over a piece of plastic. "He was charged with Unlawful Possession of Certain Ammunition Feeding Devices and Aggravated Unlicensed Operation of a Motor Vehicle 3rd Degree, both misdemeanors". I hope he can put his life back together after he serves his hard time for his misdemeanor.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Megalo_Man
(88 posts)Is it so hard not to pass reactionary bullshit legislation?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And it seems 91% of Americans agree with my position. If you think UBC's are "reactionary bullshit legislation" then congratulations on being one of those other 9%. And the SAFE Act is also supported by a majority.
NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)He was talking about what NY did on the Safe Act, an act so hastily reviewed and quickly passed that they forgot to exempt police officers from the law regarding magazine limits.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)including by private sellers - except for sales to members of the seller's immediate family. Private sale background checks began March 15, 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act
NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)That may not necessarily apply to the NY Safe Act.
I also read the response "reactionary bullshit legislation" to be in response to the magazine limits, not UBC.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)And the other DUer expressed his opinion to the contrary. Neither is fact, and cannot be facts.
derby378
(30,252 posts)Nobody that I'm aware of raised any objection to the magazine as an abuse of Constitutional rights.
So when I heard someone call the SAFE Act "reactionary bullshit," I'm inclined to agree.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)and it is a reactionary law, the 7 round limit is stupid and now, it has made a criminal out of an otherwise law abiding citizen because he had 2 rounds over the limit.
Well I guess it's a good thing that NY got this desperado off the streets, no telling how much carnage he could have caused with 2 xtra rounds.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)led me to believe that you thought that the SAFE act was an NYC law, not a NYS law.
The 7 round limit is still a really dumb law, but, that's NY for you, glad I don't live there.
I like CO state mag limit law much better, 15 rounds.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Greatest city on Earth.
premium
(3,731 posts)I've never lived in a city in my life, no elbow room to speak of, plus I don't like NY's gun laws, just the way I was raised.
I was born and raised in a little town on the NV/CA border right along U.S. 395, bordering on Topaz Lake, grew up rural, worked as a USFS Ranger for 30+ years working the U.S. Forests in MT., and NV., now I'm retired living just outside of Tonopah, NV.
Here's a pic of where I grew up.
No offense, but you can keep your big city if that's what you like, me, I live where I can stretch my arms and breathe fresh air, ride my horse.
CTyankee
(63,768 posts)town. I lived in Manhattan for 6 years right after college and it was a blast. Went everywhere on the old subway lines at all hours of the day and night. Now that I am old I find a day in the city to be exhausting and the pace of NY punishing...but oh, it is so worth it for the cultural gifts NY never stops offering. New Yorkers are one tough breed but they make it my kind of town when I'm there!
Megalo_Man
(88 posts)Ignoring the fact that I'm not talking about "universal background checks," which I do support, in the forum of an end-user web/phone based system that allows any private individual to run a background check on anyone else. The infrastructure is already there, but only FFLs can do it now. This is also completely ignoring the fact that this 91% number is based on a survey conducted in 5 states, in February. I can conduct a survey on 2,000 people in the right states and get exactly the result I want. I can say that the majority of people, not just democrats, oppose universal background checks. I can get a bunch of politicians, and talking heads to repeat the same number, over and over again, until 91% of people are ready to give me power of attorney, and write me into their will. Why? Because 91% of people are idiots. They don't think for themselves. They just think what everyone else around them thinks because they're all exposed to the same shit when they come home from work and stare at their TV. Have you been paying attention to what has been happening in this country for the last 40 years? It is a BLESSING that this country is not ruled by a majority. There's a reason that most of the wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population. There's a reason when we founded this country we voluntarily created a government. We are not ready as a species to individually decide for the rest of the species what is in our best interests.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)So you think it's a good thing that 1%ers run the country? Enjoy your stay...
Megalo_Man
(88 posts)That is a new one. What I said is that there is a reason that 1% of people hold the majority of the wealth. Not that it is a good thing. Learn to read and comprehend what someone else says before you go calling them a troll.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Yeah, the term probably isn't used much over at FreeRepublic.
Poll trutherism is what right-wingers like you and Dick Morris were saying before this last election, when the polls were all showing an Obama victory, but they just couldn't accept the reality.
You said that it is a good thing that the majority doesn't rule the country, implying that it is a good thing that a small group of wealthy people have outsized influence. Like I said, enjoy your stay.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)jazzimov
(1,456 posts)this is "reactionary bullshit legislation"?
If you ask me, it doesn't go far enough. Or do you support killing as many children as possible without reloading?
Welcome to DU - enjoy your brief stay.
premium
(3,731 posts)they passed it so fast, they forgot to exempt law enforcement, that's reactionary.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Just because some gun nuts don't like magazine limits, doesn't mean they get to ignore the law. I'm sure that drunk drivers don't like BAC limits either.
sarisataka
(18,206 posts)Just because some marijuana smokers don't like possession laws, doesn't mean they get to ignore the law.
Agree/Disagree?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I don't think smoking pot makes you a bad person, but it is illegal, and if you get caught, you are going to be penalized.
What I was responding to more was the idea that just because the guy only had two extra bullets, that makes the law dumb. A lot of laws involve drawing an arbitrary line. Driving with BAC of 0.099 is OK while a BAC of 0.1 is a crime, although that extra drop of alcohol surely doesn't magically transform you from a safe driver to a danger to society? Having sex with an 18 year old is OK while having sex with a 17 year and 364 day old makes you a criminal, but it's doubtful that that one extra day of life really changes the situation very much. And so on.
The line is drawn where the law says, and it is illegal to cross it.
sarisataka
(18,206 posts)Thankyou.
I agree. We may think a law is silly or the punishment excessive to the offence but until changed it is the law.
I don't know DanTex, We have found common ground a couple of times in the last few days.
We better get nasty with each other before We lose our cred.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I say, no way was he clean during his comeback. Third place, at what, age 38? Against at least a moderately doped field, riding clean for the first time ever? I mean come on, Lance, who are you trying to fool...
sarisataka
(18,206 posts)he's not worthy to tighten leMond's toe strap
bluedigger
(17,077 posts)"But officer, my car is clearly capable of safely going 75mph here. Your speed limit is arbitrary and unreasonable. How could I have known better?"
derby378
(30,252 posts)Even though gun legislation is very serious business, you've got to keep a sense of humor about it at times.
The Magistrate
(95,237 posts)justanidea
(291 posts)Death penalty is the only appropriate punishment for such a heinous crime!!
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Not properly stored or transported, not safe, not smart.
And without a valid driver's license?
Seems this 'law-abiding gun owner' isn't too fond of following the laws the rest of us have to.
premium
(3,731 posts)that's 100% legal, hell, we can even conceal a fully loaded firearm in our vehicles without a CHL as long as it's not concealed on the person or in anything that you would normally carry, IE, a purse, briefcase, etc.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)I see people doing completely legal, completely stupid stuff all the time.
premium
(3,731 posts)and I do agree with you, leaving a loaded, unsecured firearm on the front seat of a moving vehicle is just asking for trouble, it should be either secured in a case unloaded, or in the trunk, cased and unloaded if your vehicle has a trunk.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)I tend to stay far away from people that treat a loaded firearm in such a cavalier manner, I don't want to become a victim to their carelessness.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)I used to have a split bench and I would wedge the holstered firearm in the split. I was stopped at a checkpoint like that and the police had no problem with it. Of course, I had a valid driver's license.
My quip was about the ludicrous social benefits of 7 vs 9 rounds in a magazine.
NickB79
(19,110 posts)I'm sure the time that trooper had to spend writing up all the paperwork over two extra bullets, instead of actually being on the road arresting dangerous criminals or drunk drivers was really, really worth it