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mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:30 PM May 2013

SAFE act takes it's first gun off the street

Have fun in jail, dickhead.


NEW LEBANON, N.Y. - A man has been charged under the New York State SAFE Act after troopers found he had a handgun in his car with the loaded magazine containing nine rounds of ammunition, rather than the limit of seven rounds.

State Police issued a traffic stop for 31-year-old Gregory Dean of Hopewell Junction on Route 22 in New Lebanon Sunday night for an inadequate license plate lamp.

While interviewing Dean, troopers observed a handgun on the front passenger seat that was partially covered by a sweatshirt. Investigation revealed a Smith and Wesson semi-automatic .40 caliber handgun was legally possessed, but police say it was revealed that the loaded magazine contained nine rounds of ammunition, rather than the limit of seven rounds, as required by the SAFE Act.




http://www.news10.com/story/22236238/troopers-make-safe-act-arrest-in-new-lebanon
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SAFE act takes it's first gun off the street (Original Post) mwrguy May 2013 OP
Those two extra bullets made him Public Enemy No. 1 in the state derby378 May 2013 #1
Yep. Megalo_Man May 2013 #2
Even if it is repealed .99center May 2013 #46
Is it so hard to not break the law? JaneyVee May 2013 #3
I'll answer your rhetorical question with another rhetorical question. Megalo_Man May 2013 #4
You call universal background checks "reactionary bullshit legislation", I call it common sense. JaneyVee May 2013 #6
Wrong law. Nt NutmegYankee May 2013 #7
Huh? JaneyVee May 2013 #8
He wasn't talking about the Senate bill NutmegYankee May 2013 #9
The SAFE includes a provision requiring background checks for all gun sales, Electric Monk May 2013 #10
The other poster was quoting the 90% poll, which was done on the Federal bill. NutmegYankee May 2013 #11
I addressed both in my post. Magazine limits aren't "reactionary bullshit" either. JaneyVee May 2013 #12
In your opinion. NutmegYankee May 2013 #13
Lewis and Clark carried a rifle with a 20-round magazine into the American wilderness derby378 May 2013 #21
NYC doesn't have a wilderness. JaneyVee May 2013 #22
The SAFE Act is STATE law, not just NYC law, NYS does have wilderness, premium May 2013 #26
SAFE act doesn't affect hunters. NYS already has laws specifically for hunting. JaneyVee May 2013 #27
The way you wrote your post premium May 2013 #28
Nice way to jab the city I live in. The tolerance is astounding. JaneyVee May 2013 #33
I just calls it as I sees it. premium May 2013 #34
The funny thing is that what some westerners don't realize is that NYC is a really tough CTyankee May 2013 #48
If 91% of people told you it was a good idea to stand infront of a moving train, would you? Megalo_Man May 2013 #14
More poll trutherism from the gun trolls... DanTex May 2013 #16
"poll trutherism".. LOL. Megalo_Man May 2013 #17
You've never heard the term "poll trutherism"? DanTex May 2013 #20
What a ridiculous statement. Why would 91% of people think standing in front of train is a good idea JaneyVee May 2013 #23
So it's okay to break laws you don't agree with? proud2BlibKansan May 2013 #15
What the FUCK? Please explain to me HOW jazzimov May 2013 #19
Because it was passed in reaction to the Sandy Hook tragedy, premium May 2013 #30
You break the law, you face the consequences. DanTex May 2013 #18
You break the law, you face the consequences. sarisataka May 2013 #24
Actually I do agree. You don't get to pick which laws to ignore. Do you agree? DanTex May 2013 #32
Consistentcy... sarisataka May 2013 #35
Well this is a little odd. Maybe we can argue about Lance Armstrong again... DanTex May 2013 #38
Don't get me started on that pompous ass sarisataka May 2013 #45
I'll use that argument the next time I get pulled over for 75 in a 70mph zone. bluedigger May 2013 #31
Okay, okay, you make me chuckle... derby378 May 2013 #44
Good, Sir: One More 'Law-Abiding Gun-Owner' Who Does Not Obey The Law.... The Magistrate May 2013 #5
Dear Lord in heaven. 9 rounds instead of 7! justanidea May 2013 #25
I feel safer already. aikoaiko May 2013 #29
Do you drive around with a loaded handgun laying out on the passenger seat? Ikonoklast May 2013 #36
Well, in Nevada, premium May 2013 #37
Not debating the legality, questioning the safe transport of a loaded weapon. Ikonoklast May 2013 #39
Got it, premium May 2013 #40
That is an accident waiting to happen, or a theft. Ikonoklast May 2013 #41
Only a few times. aikoaiko May 2013 #43
Tax money clearly well spent there NickB79 May 2013 #42
Over two little itty bitty bullets! It's not like they could hurt you or kill you or anything... CTyankee May 2013 #47

derby378

(30,252 posts)
1. Those two extra bullets made him Public Enemy No. 1 in the state
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:53 PM
May 2013

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

When your legislators pass stupid laws, you get stupid results. The SAFE Act is a cosmic joke.

 

Megalo_Man

(88 posts)
2. Yep.
Mon May 13, 2013, 06:13 PM
May 2013

Hopefully it is repealed soon and this guy is compensated for having his life fucked over two rounds. Jack booted thugs in action.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
46. Even if it is repealed
Wed May 15, 2013, 02:51 AM
May 2013

His life would still be "fucked", over a piece of plastic. "He was charged with Unlawful Possession of Certain Ammunition Feeding Devices and Aggravated Unlicensed Operation of a Motor Vehicle 3rd Degree, both misdemeanors". I hope he can put his life back together after he serves his hard time for his misdemeanor.

 

Megalo_Man

(88 posts)
4. I'll answer your rhetorical question with another rhetorical question.
Mon May 13, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

Is it so hard not to pass reactionary bullshit legislation?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. You call universal background checks "reactionary bullshit legislation", I call it common sense.
Mon May 13, 2013, 08:11 PM
May 2013

And it seems 91% of Americans agree with my position. If you think UBC's are "reactionary bullshit legislation" then congratulations on being one of those other 9%. And the SAFE Act is also supported by a majority.

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
9. He wasn't talking about the Senate bill
Mon May 13, 2013, 08:53 PM
May 2013

He was talking about what NY did on the Safe Act, an act so hastily reviewed and quickly passed that they forgot to exempt police officers from the law regarding magazine limits.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
10. The SAFE includes a provision requiring background checks for all gun sales,
Mon May 13, 2013, 08:59 PM
May 2013

including by private sellers - except for sales to members of the seller's immediate family. Private sale background checks began March 15, 2013.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
11. The other poster was quoting the 90% poll, which was done on the Federal bill.
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:02 PM
May 2013

That may not necessarily apply to the NY Safe Act.

I also read the response "reactionary bullshit legislation" to be in response to the magazine limits, not UBC.

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
13. In your opinion.
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:18 PM
May 2013

And the other DUer expressed his opinion to the contrary. Neither is fact, and cannot be facts.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
21. Lewis and Clark carried a rifle with a 20-round magazine into the American wilderness
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:41 AM
May 2013

Nobody that I'm aware of raised any objection to the magazine as an abuse of Constitutional rights.

So when I heard someone call the SAFE Act "reactionary bullshit," I'm inclined to agree.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
26. The SAFE Act is STATE law, not just NYC law, NYS does have wilderness,
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:10 PM
May 2013

and it is a reactionary law, the 7 round limit is stupid and now, it has made a criminal out of an otherwise law abiding citizen because he had 2 rounds over the limit.

Well I guess it's a good thing that NY got this desperado off the streets, no telling how much carnage he could have caused with 2 xtra rounds.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
28. The way you wrote your post
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:34 PM
May 2013

led me to believe that you thought that the SAFE act was an NYC law, not a NYS law.

The 7 round limit is still a really dumb law, but, that's NY for you, glad I don't live there.
I like CO state mag limit law much better, 15 rounds.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
33. Nice way to jab the city I live in. The tolerance is astounding.
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
May 2013

I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Greatest city on Earth.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
34. I just calls it as I sees it.
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:23 PM
May 2013

I've never lived in a city in my life, no elbow room to speak of, plus I don't like NY's gun laws, just the way I was raised.
I was born and raised in a little town on the NV/CA border right along U.S. 395, bordering on Topaz Lake, grew up rural, worked as a USFS Ranger for 30+ years working the U.S. Forests in MT., and NV., now I'm retired living just outside of Tonopah, NV.
Here's a pic of where I grew up.



No offense, but you can keep your big city if that's what you like, me, I live where I can stretch my arms and breathe fresh air, ride my horse.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
48. The funny thing is that what some westerners don't realize is that NYC is a really tough
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:44 AM
May 2013

town. I lived in Manhattan for 6 years right after college and it was a blast. Went everywhere on the old subway lines at all hours of the day and night. Now that I am old I find a day in the city to be exhausting and the pace of NY punishing...but oh, it is so worth it for the cultural gifts NY never stops offering. New Yorkers are one tough breed but they make it my kind of town when I'm there!

 

Megalo_Man

(88 posts)
14. If 91% of people told you it was a good idea to stand infront of a moving train, would you?
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:39 PM
May 2013

Ignoring the fact that I'm not talking about "universal background checks," which I do support, in the forum of an end-user web/phone based system that allows any private individual to run a background check on anyone else. The infrastructure is already there, but only FFLs can do it now. This is also completely ignoring the fact that this 91% number is based on a survey conducted in 5 states, in February. I can conduct a survey on 2,000 people in the right states and get exactly the result I want. I can say that the majority of people, not just democrats, oppose universal background checks. I can get a bunch of politicians, and talking heads to repeat the same number, over and over again, until 91% of people are ready to give me power of attorney, and write me into their will. Why? Because 91% of people are idiots. They don't think for themselves. They just think what everyone else around them thinks because they're all exposed to the same shit when they come home from work and stare at their TV. Have you been paying attention to what has been happening in this country for the last 40 years? It is a BLESSING that this country is not ruled by a majority. There's a reason that most of the wealth is in the hands of 1% of the population. There's a reason when we founded this country we voluntarily created a government. We are not ready as a species to individually decide for the rest of the species what is in our best interests.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. More poll trutherism from the gun trolls...
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:45 PM
May 2013

So you think it's a good thing that 1%ers run the country? Enjoy your stay...

 

Megalo_Man

(88 posts)
17. "poll trutherism".. LOL.
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:48 PM
May 2013

That is a new one. What I said is that there is a reason that 1% of people hold the majority of the wealth. Not that it is a good thing. Learn to read and comprehend what someone else says before you go calling them a troll.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
20. You've never heard the term "poll trutherism"?
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:53 PM
May 2013

Yeah, the term probably isn't used much over at FreeRepublic.

Poll trutherism is what right-wingers like you and Dick Morris were saying before this last election, when the polls were all showing an Obama victory, but they just couldn't accept the reality.

You said that it is a good thing that the majority doesn't rule the country, implying that it is a good thing that a small group of wealthy people have outsized influence. Like I said, enjoy your stay.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
23. What a ridiculous statement. Why would 91% of people think standing in front of train is a good idea
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:55 AM
May 2013

jazzimov

(1,456 posts)
19. What the FUCK? Please explain to me HOW
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

this is "reactionary bullshit legislation"?

If you ask me, it doesn't go far enough. Or do you support killing as many children as possible without reloading?

Welcome to DU - enjoy your brief stay.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
30. Because it was passed in reaction to the Sandy Hook tragedy,
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:36 PM
May 2013

they passed it so fast, they forgot to exempt law enforcement, that's reactionary.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
18. You break the law, you face the consequences.
Mon May 13, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

Just because some gun nuts don't like magazine limits, doesn't mean they get to ignore the law. I'm sure that drunk drivers don't like BAC limits either.

sarisataka

(18,206 posts)
24. You break the law, you face the consequences.
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:53 AM
May 2013

Just because some marijuana smokers don't like possession laws, doesn't mean they get to ignore the law.

Agree/Disagree?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. Actually I do agree. You don't get to pick which laws to ignore. Do you agree?
Tue May 14, 2013, 01:54 PM
May 2013

I don't think smoking pot makes you a bad person, but it is illegal, and if you get caught, you are going to be penalized.

What I was responding to more was the idea that just because the guy only had two extra bullets, that makes the law dumb. A lot of laws involve drawing an arbitrary line. Driving with BAC of 0.099 is OK while a BAC of 0.1 is a crime, although that extra drop of alcohol surely doesn't magically transform you from a safe driver to a danger to society? Having sex with an 18 year old is OK while having sex with a 17 year and 364 day old makes you a criminal, but it's doubtful that that one extra day of life really changes the situation very much. And so on.

The line is drawn where the law says, and it is illegal to cross it.

sarisataka

(18,206 posts)
35. Consistentcy...
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:23 PM
May 2013

Thankyou.

I agree. We may think a law is silly or the punishment excessive to the offence but until changed it is the law.

I don't know DanTex, We have found common ground a couple of times in the last few days.
We better get nasty with each other before We lose our cred.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
38. Well this is a little odd. Maybe we can argue about Lance Armstrong again...
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:38 PM
May 2013

I say, no way was he clean during his comeback. Third place, at what, age 38? Against at least a moderately doped field, riding clean for the first time ever? I mean come on, Lance, who are you trying to fool...

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
31. I'll use that argument the next time I get pulled over for 75 in a 70mph zone.
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:45 PM
May 2013

"But officer, my car is clearly capable of safely going 75mph here. Your speed limit is arbitrary and unreasonable. How could I have known better?"

derby378

(30,252 posts)
44. Okay, okay, you make me chuckle...
Tue May 14, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013

Even though gun legislation is very serious business, you've got to keep a sense of humor about it at times.

 

justanidea

(291 posts)
25. Dear Lord in heaven. 9 rounds instead of 7!
Tue May 14, 2013, 12:09 PM
May 2013

Death penalty is the only appropriate punishment for such a heinous crime!!

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
36. Do you drive around with a loaded handgun laying out on the passenger seat?
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
May 2013

Not properly stored or transported, not safe, not smart.


And without a valid driver's license?

Seems this 'law-abiding gun owner' isn't too fond of following the laws the rest of us have to.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
37. Well, in Nevada,
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:33 PM
May 2013

that's 100% legal, hell, we can even conceal a fully loaded firearm in our vehicles without a CHL as long as it's not concealed on the person or in anything that you would normally carry, IE, a purse, briefcase, etc.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
39. Not debating the legality, questioning the safe transport of a loaded weapon.
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:45 PM
May 2013

I see people doing completely legal, completely stupid stuff all the time.

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
40. Got it,
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:53 PM
May 2013

and I do agree with you, leaving a loaded, unsecured firearm on the front seat of a moving vehicle is just asking for trouble, it should be either secured in a case unloaded, or in the trunk, cased and unloaded if your vehicle has a trunk.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
41. That is an accident waiting to happen, or a theft.
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
May 2013

I tend to stay far away from people that treat a loaded firearm in such a cavalier manner, I don't want to become a victim to their carelessness.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
43. Only a few times.
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:48 PM
May 2013

I used to have a split bench and I would wedge the holstered firearm in the split. I was stopped at a checkpoint like that and the police had no problem with it. Of course, I had a valid driver's license.

My quip was about the ludicrous social benefits of 7 vs 9 rounds in a magazine.



NickB79

(19,110 posts)
42. Tax money clearly well spent there
Tue May 14, 2013, 03:14 PM
May 2013

I'm sure the time that trooper had to spend writing up all the paperwork over two extra bullets, instead of actually being on the road arresting dangerous criminals or drunk drivers was really, really worth it

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