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sunwyn

(494 posts)
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:01 AM May 2013

Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to Roundup; kills remaining queens

This just creeps me out. Monsanto seems all invasive. My recent foray into growing my own food and foraging has made me realise how ruthless this company really is.

http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/05/22/illinois-illegally-seizes-bees-resistant-to-roundup-kills-remaining-queens/


The Illinois Ag Dept. illegally seized privately owned bees from renowned naturalist, Terrence Ingram, without providing him with a search warrant and before the court hearing on the matter, reports Prairie Advocate News.

Behind the obvious violations of his Constitutional rights is Monsanto. Ingram was researching Roundup’s effects on bees, which he’s raised for 58 years. “They ruined 15 years of my research,” he told Prairie Advocate, by stealing most of his stock.

A certified letter from the Ag Dept.’s Apiary Inspection Supervisor, Steven D. Chard, stated:

“During a routine inspection of your honeybee colonies by … Inspectors Susan Kivikko and Eleanor Balson on October 23, 2011, the bacterial disease ‘American Foulbrood’ was detected in a number of colonies located behind your house…. Presence of the disease in some of your colonies was confirmed via test results from the USDA Bee Research Laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland that analyzed samples collected from your apiary….”

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Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to Roundup; kills remaining queens (Original Post) sunwyn May 2013 OP
Sue them for theft and destruction of evidence. DetlefK May 2013 #1
the link doesn't appear to be working... Javaman May 2013 #2
Your link to that advocacy website is not working. MineralMan May 2013 #3
This was a big DU story exactly one year ago Brother Buzz May 2013 #4
You're right... Javaman May 2013 #5
This former beekeeper totally agrees Brother Buzz May 2013 #6
I can't get any of the website to work now either.I didn't know it was old news since the date was M sunwyn May 2013 #7
Not your fault... Javaman May 2013 #9
Why haven't we heard of a follow up report on his "proof"? CanSocDem May 2013 #8
And it was shown in that thread that the story was bullshit... SidDithers May 2013 #11
Boo Hoo whatchamacallit May 2013 #12
And? That's not much of a secret...nt SidDithers May 2013 #13
Guess I just needed to rhyme today whatchamacallit May 2013 #14
Well, there you have it Brother Buzz May 2013 #15
And Skinner also said this... SidDithers May 2013 #16
Boo Hoo whatchamacallit May 2013 #17
you mean like this? bettyellen May 2013 #18
My Wife & I are BeeKeepers. bvar22 May 2013 #10
thanks for your insight. bettyellen May 2013 #19

Javaman

(62,444 posts)
2. the link doesn't appear to be working...
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:07 AM
May 2013

and the link itself shows that the story is from May of last year.

Okay, it appears as if it's a typo in the link...

Here is one that works.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/illinois-illegally-seizes-bees-resistant-to-monsantos-roundup-kills-remaining-queens-2659830.html

If infact this is an issue of foulbrood, than it's a different matter, however, the bee hive can not be located. Which I find very weird, but then again, I seriously doubt the police in this case knew enough about bee keeping to make sure they remained alive.

lots of questions...

On edit: Here is an article that seems to be more closely related to the one you posted...

Government tyranny: Illinois Department of Agriculture secretly destroys beekeeper's bees and 15 years of research proving Monsanto's Roundup kills bees

http://www.naturalnews.com/035920_beekeeper_Illinois_raid.html

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
3. Your link to that advocacy website is not working.
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:10 AM
May 2013

Please update the link to this year old story so we can read the entire thing. Your limited quote of it proves nothing.

Javaman

(62,444 posts)
5. You're right...
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:27 AM
May 2013

there is something not quite right about these articles...

I tried searching for the information after the original link didn't work and what I found is the identical story is being pitched both as something that happened this week and something that happened on year ago.

Either someone has an axe to grind about something or is creating a false sense of "hysteria" over an issue that has already been resolved.

In all the stories, they claim that the beekeeper was to have a hearing in April, yet this "recent" story is dated on the 23rd of May.

The identical story from a year ago states the exact same thing.

In my experience as a beekeeper I have noticed something, there are beekeepers who are actually much better at researching bees than many etymologists. Then there is a group that "think" they are researchers but their methodology is completely flawed.

After my small bit of research, in my opinion, it seems that this guy falls into the latter of the two groups.

there are a lot, let me say that again, A LOT of libertarian types who raise bees and claim all sorts of crazy ass crap at just the monthly bee meetings I attend.

I'm not going to claim what this guys political leanings are, but if this retread of an article from last year is any indication, it seems like someone has "theory" that is probably crazy.

My reasoning is this: since this took place last year, and in the article the beekeeper in question states that he has "proof" that his hives aren't infected with Foulbrood and he was going to show it at the April hearing; Why haven't we heard of a follow up report on his "proof"?

Because he probably had grossly flawed research.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm completely against the use of various pesticides and how they are effecting bee colonies (Europe is far ahead of the curve on this), but in this case, it could just be a simple matter of a nut who doesn't take care of his hives.

Also there are a lot of claims made by the person who wrote the article without any varification in regards to warrents, etc.

sunwyn

(494 posts)
7. I can't get any of the website to work now either.I didn't know it was old news since the date was M
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:42 AM
May 2013

Javaman

(62,444 posts)
9. Not your fault...
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:59 AM
May 2013

It appears as if they might have pulled the link when it was shown to be a year old and someone tried to pass it off as "new".

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
8. Why haven't we heard of a follow up report on his "proof"?
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:50 AM
May 2013


Yes that does seem strange. MSM is usually so forthcoming when the public interest is maligned.

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
11. And it was shown in that thread that the story was bullshit...
Sat May 25, 2013, 11:56 AM
May 2013

That originated fom right-wing libertarian sources.

But now we've got 3 threads about this year old bullshit story, being sourced from places like globalresearch, beforeitsnews and naturalnews. And of course, our see-no-CT GD Hosts think this kind of woo sourcing is just fine for GD.

Might as well close down the Creative Speculation Group. Apparently, there's nothing too woo for GD anymore.

Sid

Brother Buzz

(36,217 posts)
15. Well, there you have it
Sat May 25, 2013, 12:39 PM
May 2013

Yet, there is no official list of forbidden sources that should be avoided on DU; it is incumbent on us to challenge the woo, be it globalresearch, beforeitsnews, naturalnews, or even East County Magazine.

You should avoid using sources that you believe a majority of your DU peers would consider inappropriate. In practice, HOW the source is used is more important than the source itself.

For example, people post stuff from free republic all the time. It's fine, because it's fun to ridicule freepers. But if you're someone posts "an insightful article from Free Republic that proves the president wasn't born in America" then it's not fine.

- Skinner

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
16. And Skinner also said this...
Sat May 25, 2013, 12:43 PM
May 2013
If it's from a kooky site I think it can be shut down.

Presumably if the information is legit there would exist an alternate source that is legit.


Problem is, too many GD Hosts think that no source is too kooky for GD.

Sid

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. My Wife & I are BeeKeepers.
Fri May 24, 2013, 09:10 PM
May 2013

If this mans hives tested positive for Foul Brood,
then the authorities acted appropriately.
It is very possible, in fact likely, that this has nothing to do with Monsanto.

Foul Brood is an especially nasty, very contagious disease that is impossible to "cure".
The only sane action is to kill the infected Bees,
and burn anything that they have been in contact with,
including adjacent hives,
and any equipment and tools that have been in contact with that hive.
Protective Bee Clothing must be washed in hot water with bleach.

Foul Brood CAN be spread to any hives within the 3 mile foraging radius of the infected colony. As responsible Bee Keepers, we would volunteer to destroy our colonies if Foul Brood is confirmed,
and go On-a-Fucking-MISSION to find out WHERE it came from,
and if it is an irresponsible BeeKeeper in our area,
rain down upon him the fiery fucking wrath of the Lord!

The ONLY question is
was Foul Brood CONFIRMED by a non-partisan agency.

My Wife & I are NOT Joiners,
and avoid registering anything we are not forced to register,
but we make an exception for our Honey Bees.
Our Colonies are registered with the State,
and we gladly submit to yearly inspection.
In fact, we LOVE our local inspector, and look forward to her visits.
She is wonderful with the Bees.

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