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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:04 AM May 2013

Citizens Grand Jury Indicts Holder For Perjury And Obstruction of Justice

Citizens Grand Jury Indicts Holder For Perjury And Obstruction of Justice

OCALA, Fla., May 30, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A Citizens Grand Jury has issued a criminal indictment charging Attorney General Eric Holder with testifying falsely to Congress over his role in issuing subpoenas to AP and Fox News reporters, his "Fast and Furious" gun-running scheme to Mexican drug dealers (which resulted in the death of an ICE Border Agent), and Benghazi. The indictment also charges Holder with obstruction of justice.

In the landmark Supreme Court case of Williams v. United States (504 U.S. 36 (1992)), Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, held that the American grand jury, under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, belongs to the people -- not the three branches of government. Indeed, the Citizens Grand Jury was widely used by the people before the nation had a Justice Department. There has never been an amendment to the Constitution that would preclude its use today.

"Given the compromised and corrupt state of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of government, the people have now been forced to use the Citizens Grand Jury as our Founding Fathers envisioned when the sovereign fails to take into account the grievances of the people. The Founding Fathers 'created' the Citizens Grand Jury as a safety value to allow the people to enforce the law when the politicians and judges subvert it. Today, 236 years after the Declaration of Independence, as the ruling establishment again ignores the grievances of the people, the people must use whatever legal means are at their disposal to wage a second American revolution. Holder, the highest ranking legal officer in the land, has subverted his office with his lies and deception, obstructing justice and even criminalizing the legitimate reporting of journalists. As our Congress is more interested in politicizing Holder's improper acts than seeking justice, the people have now come forward to act. Holder will now be arraigned and tried for his crimes ironically just after the July 4 holiday before a Citizens Court," stated Citizens Prosecutor Larry Klayman, the founder of both Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20130530-908503.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Can anyone explain why the WSJ posted this?

CNN Botches Key Facts In Holder Story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022917017

Why did Fox Noise lie about its knowledge of the subpoena?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022921525



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Citizens Grand Jury Indicts Holder For Perjury And Obstruction of Justice (Original Post) ProSense May 2013 OP
They Maintain A Humor Blog, Ma'am? The Magistrate May 2013 #1
So a bunch of tea baggers got together Drale May 2013 #2
Where Larry Klayman goes, the GOP will follow . . . nt geek tragedy May 2013 #3
Klayman's Pedophile Inclinations, Sir, Add a Special Spice.... The Magistrate May 2013 #5
He should be impeached. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #6
This trial will take place after the one about Obama's citizenship Renew Deal May 2013 #4
Unfortunately, this lunacy HappyMe May 2013 #8
It's a 'press release' from wacko Freedom Watch. sinkingfeeling May 2013 #7

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
1. They Maintain A Humor Blog, Ma'am?
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:07 AM
May 2013

The link contains this disclaimer:

"The Wall Street Journal news department was not involved in the creation of this content."

This may be something people post up to themselves....

Drale

(7,932 posts)
2. So a bunch of tea baggers got together
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:07 AM
May 2013

called themselves a "Citizens Grand Jury" and think that Holder should be arrested because they indited him? How would they feel if we did the same to W and Dick?

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
5. Klayman's Pedophile Inclinations, Sir, Add a Special Spice....
Thu May 30, 2013, 11:15 AM
May 2013
http://wonkette.com/485407/judicial-watch-founderclinton-nemesis-larry-klayman-might-have-touched-his-children-in-their-swimsuit-areas

From Appeals Court Judge Mary Boyle, July 26,2012 [PDF]

{¶25} The issues raised by Klayman involve credibility assessments made by the magistrate. Klayman challenges these findings. The magistrate heard evidence from the children’s pediatrician who reported allegations of sexual abuse to children services, and from a social worker at children services who found that sexual abuse was “indicated.” Although the social worker’s finding was later changed to “unsubstantiated” when Klayman appealed, the magistrate explained that the supervisor who changed the social worker’s finding did not testify. The magistrate pointed out that he was obligated to make his own independent analysis based upon the parties and the evidence before him. In doing so, the magistrate found on more than one occasion [Klayman] act[ed] in a grossly inappropriate manner with the children. His conduct may not have been sexual in the sense that he intended to or did derive any sexual pleasure from it or that he intended his children would. That, however, does not mean that he did not engage in those acts or that his behavior was proper.

{¶26} The magistrate further found it significant that although Klayman denied any allegations of sexual abuse, he never denied that he did not engage in inappropriate behavior with the children. The magistrate further found it notable that Klayman, “for all his breast beating about his innocence * * * [he] scrupulously avoided being questioned by anyone from [children services] or from the Sheriff’s Department about the allegations,” and that he refused to answer any questions, repeatedly invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, about whether he inappropriately touched the children. “Even more disturbing” to the magistrate was the fact that Klayman would not even answer the simple question regarding what he thought inappropriate touching was. The magistrate stated that he could draw an adverse inference from Klayman’s decision not to testify to these matters because it was a civil proceeding, not criminal.

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