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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhich does more damage to our democracy: crime committed by Snowden or crimes his leaks revealed?
It's an obvious question, but sometimes we need to ask these because a handful of people here on DU know how to make their views seem far more widely accepted than they really are.
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Snowden's crime hurt our democracy more than the wrongdoing he revealed in his leaks | |
2 (20%) |
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The wrongdoing Snowden's leaks revealed hurt our democracy more than his leaking did | |
8 (80%) |
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)The NSA has abused some metadata on the one hand, and China knows how we read their emails on the other. I call it a wash.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Those who do know aren't voting in online polls.
No one knows, even those DUers who are so sure they do.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... the full extent of his treachery has not yet been revealed.
So, in the long run Snowden's felonious crimes will greatly damage our country more than they already have.
Hopefully he will be arrest soon and stand trial.
msongs
(67,193 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Mass spying on the people hurts democracy. Exposing it helps.
Seems obvious to me. I'm surprised so many clearly well-meaning people are willing to accept so much government overreach, seemingly because they want to defend Obama or something.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)We have to ask the question- would we be better off today had Snowden kept silent at his job and enjoyed his rather posh lifestyle?
The truth exacts a heavy price when the lies have gotten out of hand.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)If, by that, you mean it has an obvious answer then your poll belies your contention.
Nice jumping to conclusions though!
BTW, this was a fun touch: "a handful of people here on DU know how to make their views seem far more widely accepted than they really are". Were you to take a poll on that I'd bet you'd find pretty unanimous agreement. Were you to preface it with an ill-considered editorial, however, I'd also bet you'd be dismayed by who the "handful of people" are.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)"In a way, we as U.S. citizens owe Edward Snowden a thank you for having brought this issue to the forefront and so that we can begin to have a serious and genuine conversation about these issues." Valerie Plame
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)OTOH, he's clearly purloined and caused to be published classified information, which is a crime.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Also it is a crime against decency and common sense.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)They have specifically put processes in place to ensure that the law is followed. Since the FISC judges are US district court judges appointed by the Supreme Court to serve in rotation, their decisions are probably going to survive scrutiny on constitutional grounds.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)It wasn't unconsititutional prior to the ruling.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)But the NSA isn't committing crimes just because you don't like it and say they are. I would like to assume that most of you have done jury duty, but that doesn't really seem to be the case.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)They ruled that the NSA was in violation of the 4th Amendment. They won't let us see that ruling because it proves that they did all of this illegally.
All of this is beginning to unravel because of the Warrant Snowden gave Greenwald which itself is was violation of the 4th amendment.
These are crimes paramount to treason, and the defenders of the policy are acting like it's no big deal.
Newflash- it totally is.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Senators Udall and Wyden have been able to speak up about this because of what Snowden has leaked as well- they don't support this and believe it's illegal, but the rules in the intelligence committee and for briefings forbid them from even talking about what's going on after it's discussed behind closed doors.
That's absolutely crazy that they are being forced into a gag order while the NSA and the President are blithely saying this is all legal transparent and has good oversight including from congress. They managed to force the NSA to pull their official talking points because some of them weren't even true.
*shakes head* Crazy world. Doesn't much look like democracy.