Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:46 PM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
Have Gay Rights Groups Abandoned Bradley Manning?
Today's article from the UK Guardian discusses why mainstream LGBT rights groups like Human Rights Campaign and GLAAD have stayed quiet about Manning - charging that the silence of these groups has been deafening.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/30/bradley-manning-gay-rights-groups-support One of the interesting factors is that two of the largest and most well funded LGBT rights groups in the US have stayed quiet about Manning, his reprehensible treatment in custody and his trial. Why has Manning, whose revelations about the US Army's actions epitomize social justice in action, gotten the cold shoulder from the Human Rights Campaign and GLAAD (formerly known as the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation)? The silence of these groups has been deafening.
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Divernan | Jul 2013 | OP |
Divernan | Jul 2013 | #1 | |
Donald Ian Rankin | Jul 2013 | #2 | |
Smarmie Doofus | Jul 2013 | #10 | |
Waiting For Everyman | Jul 2013 | #3 | |
Divernan | Jul 2013 | #11 | |
frazzled | Jul 2013 | #4 | |
Divernan | Jul 2013 | #6 | |
Smarmie Doofus | Jul 2013 | #13 | |
frazzled | Jul 2013 | #14 | |
Smarmie Doofus | Jul 2013 | #16 | |
Capt. Obvious | Jul 2013 | #5 | |
Smarmie Doofus | Jul 2013 | #7 | |
Divernan | Jul 2013 | #9 | |
Capt. Obvious | Jul 2013 | #12 | |
Divernan | Jul 2013 | #15 | |
msanthrope | Jul 2013 | #8 |
Response to Divernan (Original post)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:53 PM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
1. More from the OP link - interesting ties between MIC, HRC & GLAAD
There was no quid pro quo, however, the HRC and GLAAD know exactly where their bread is buttered. The Human Rights Campaign spent millions of dollars and countless volunteer hours to lobby for the repeal of Don't ask, don't tell, ensuring that patriotic and law-abiding gays and lesbians can continue to serve in the US military and fight its wars in far-flung places. |
Response to Divernan (Original post)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:03 PM
Donald Ian Rankin (13,598 posts)
2. Have the ADL abandoned Bernie Madoff?
Manning's sexual orientation is irrelevant.
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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #2)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:15 PM
Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)
10. Not to his c/o. nt
Response to Divernan (Original post)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:03 PM
Waiting For Everyman (9,385 posts)
3. That's a very good question.
And those are some very interesting affiliations. I had no clue of that, but it is disturbing.
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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #3)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:16 PM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
11. The affiliations were what jumped out at me from this article.
NT
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Response to Divernan (Original post)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:04 PM
frazzled (18,398 posts)
4. Being gay had nothing to do with the case, so why should they step in?
This was an espionage (military) trial: what difference does it make if he was gay, straight, white, black, Hispanic, Catholic, Jewish, or whatever?
These groups were correct to stay out of it. Espionage is not within their purview, and his gayness is irrelevant. These groups are not required to weigh in or support anyone just because they are gay. |
Response to frazzled (Reply #4)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:10 PM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
6. Interesting response to your question, from a comment to the OP link.
ub313
30 July 2013 2:21pm Recommend 5 One reason gay rights groups perhaps ought to get involved with Manning's case is in relation to his possible ill treatment in prison as a homosexual or gender non-conformist. Though they should support any such individuals in prison, the fact that Manning is a political prisoner and completely innocent of any wrongdoing does render any persecution all the more heinous. Probably best to await the verdict first, though. Generally agree with other posters that Manning's sexuality is completely irrelevant. It could be argued, though, that liberation movements should express a basic solidarity with each other, and that those interested in sexual liberation should support Manning, whatever his sexuality, against the state (though perhaps as individuals, not organisations with specific remits). But this article does a good job of demonstrating that HRC and GLAAD are not liberation movements but smug liberal identity movements. That's why they've been vociferously campaigning for homosexual couples to be allowed to get down on their knees for the state to pat them on the head just like heterosexuals, and for homosexuals to be allowed to openly become unthinking, repressed, state drones programmed for killing. |
Response to frazzled (Reply #4)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:19 PM
Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)
13. 1. There was no espionage.
2. Being gay appears to have been very much at the heart of his mistreatment and harassment in the army and his abuse pretrial
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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #13)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:22 PM
frazzled (18,398 posts)
14. Wow, is that a confused statement.
He has just been convicted on multiple charges of espionage, so that is decided now.
There has been no proof that he was mistreated or harassed because of gayness. None. Only desperate posts on message boards. If he was harassed and abused, he can sue the military. He has not done so. |
Response to frazzled (Reply #4)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:53 PM
Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)
16. 1. The dictionary def. of espionage is:
"The act or process of learning secret information through clandestine means." (wiki) I'm not referencing the legal technicalities of the Espionage Act ( and neither were you when you used the word).
2. His superior officer, a prosecution witness at the trial , testified under oath that she called him "faggoty" to his face. |
Response to Divernan (Original post)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:05 PM
Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)
5. Oh FFS this again?
Has the Black community abandoned O.J.?
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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #5)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:12 PM
Smarmie Doofus (14,498 posts)
7. Good god..... what an analogy. n/t
Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #5)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:15 PM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
9. The author of the piece further comments:
Christopher Carbone drprl
30 July 2013 1:51pm Recommend 32 It's amazing how many comments are the exact same "he's not being prosecuted for being gay"....um, did you actually read my piece? Implicit in my argument is that these organizations have ethical responsibilities that go beyond their gay rights mandate. That's all. |
Response to Divernan (Reply #9)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:17 PM
Capt. Obvious (9,002 posts)
12. Well that changes everything.
Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #12)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:41 PM
Divernan (15,480 posts)
15. Lose the cynicism & discuss the differences between Anderson Cooper & Bradley Manning
Apparently much is made of the fact that Anderson Cooper came out as gay, because he is physically attractive and highly successful. He's the poster boy. I think Bradley Manning is worthy of support for the bravery of his actions, and for what he's endured while in custody for years. DADT may be officially dead, but the likelihood of his being mistreated by his jailers because of their own homophobia is quite real.
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Response to Divernan (Original post)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:15 PM
msanthrope (37,549 posts)
8. Wrong question--the question you should ask is why SLDN didn't touch this. nt