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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:04 PM Oct 2013

Regarding the South, have some of you lost your minds and as well as your ethics?

I am specifically talking about a thread and certain posts that are in gray at the bottom.

Have you actually read it and do you hear what you are endorsing?
Do you really support bashing up the South good enough and turning it black and blue?

And "FINISH HIM!" What the hell does that mean? There is no HIM. This is NOT Mortal Kombat.

You are not calling for justice in supporting this. You are calling for Old Testament vengeance. The collateral damage must not concern you if you are going to bash up the South. It is not possible to pick out every one who deserves it and blast them without hitting others.

I have never been so astounded, shocked, and disappointed. For all of your caveats about 'we don't mean you', it appears you will gladly smack every Southerner on DU if you support this thinking. If you had told me I would read this on a site called Democratic Underground and that it would be supported, I would never have believed it.

Many valid points have been made. However, there is no way to understand them through this blatant blast of hate.

And congratulations, you have now lowered yourself to the level of the haters down here. With your support for this approach, you are all standing in slime and throwing it at each other.

You cannot destroy the South metaphorically or otherwise without destroying the nation.

Go for me now. I no longer believe there are any limits to what people believe and will say here. Democratic my ass!

These are parts of posts from this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3876299

You're not gonna get far worrying about stuff like this.
Your over-identification with the land you live in prevents you from executing Mortal Kombat's 'FINISH HIM!' on this evil structure.
Yeah, I'm putting it in comic book terms. Good vs. Evil. Superman vs. Darkseid. Fantastic Four vs. Doctor Doom.

Do you have the courage to 'FINISH HIM!'? Or are you gonna spend wasted time looking for offense because somebody bashed the region that's politically at the root of all impediments to progress in this nation?

Finish that sucker!
John Lucas
PS: I said FINISH HIM!


The Republican Party used to be the party that freed the slaves after the Civil War then became the party of descendants of the slaveowners after the Civil Rights.
You KNOW who they are & you KNOW why they are what they are.

I'll HELP them so-called "bash the South" because it needs bashing.
It needs to be rebuilt & refurbished. And I am unapologetic in wanting to see this happen.
I have lived in the South all of my life, I got roots going way back here in this land.
When they start "the bashing" it don't bother me one bit.
I know the purpose of the bashing. I know what's being bashed.
It motivates me not demotivates me.

They BUILD the bridge when they "bash".
And once we "bash" the South up good enough, it'll shake out the disease that plagues the South.
Then the South will be in the recovery room healing from its "bashes" & becoming a stronger body in the end.

Before you can turn the South Blue, you need to turn it Black & Blue.
Handwave!
John Lucas


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Regarding the South, have some of you lost your minds and as well as your ethics? (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 OP
I can tell you right now. liberalmuse Oct 2013 #1
Duly noted. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #2
Like the South has skin? caseymoz Oct 2013 #96
Well, they are certainly a silent majority, if that is the case. renie408 Oct 2013 #5
We need some supporters of 'Democrats in the South' on the thread link below Tx4obama Oct 2013 #28
It's a simple strategy by that OP first you divide Democrats by region, then you divide by race, I Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #94
+1000... renie408 Oct 2013 #3
If not mistaken, the person that wrote that has directly experienced wrath of southern bigotry. Hoyt Oct 2013 #4
As if the "south" is the Texasgal Oct 2013 #7
No one said it is, but it is a special brand of bigotry/hatred. Hoyt Oct 2013 #14
No it's not. Texasgal Oct 2013 #24
I disagree, but bash it everywhere is OK by me. Hoyt Oct 2013 #33
Do you really believe that Texasgal Oct 2013 #38
No one said it only happens in the South. Like I said, bash it everywhere. Hoyt Oct 2013 #45
Yes it is special when southerners express racist sentiments. JEdwards8th Oct 2013 #115
Yes it does...YOUR one anecdotal experience doesn't equal a trend... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #40
I am a white woman that has lived here all of my life Texasgal Oct 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author cordelia Oct 2013 #44
There is no "special brand" of bigotry and hatred, it's universal. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #95
Everywhere, yes. But MLK was murdered by, and in . . . . . Hoyt Oct 2013 #99
MLK was murdered by this man from Illinois, do you suppose we should condemn Illinois for that? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #101
He was attracted to george wallace. Tell you what, you oppose racism/ignorance where you live, and Hoyt Oct 2013 #105
A beer sounds good to me Hoyt, Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #106
Thanks. This whole thing got distorted. I think we are all against the same thing Hoyt Oct 2013 #107
One addendum to Wallace, he did evolve, I believe in large part due to Shirley Chisholm Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #108
Little-known story - thanks klook Oct 2013 #111
Right. Because there is no bigotry anywhere else. renie408 Oct 2013 #9
I think it would help if someone wrote a modern day, "Black Like Me." Hoyt Oct 2013 #22
It must be our stop and frisk laws? Skip Intro Oct 2013 #41
I understand the animosity toward haters down here. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #12
My guess is the poster was more than willing to make nice in his youth, right up Hoyt Oct 2013 #20
I'm sure he got worse. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #31
It's enough for me to understand where he's coming from. Hoyt Oct 2013 #37
ARRRG! Texasgal Oct 2013 #6
Isn't this meta? SamYeager Oct 2013 #8
It looks like there is no meta forum any more. renie408 Oct 2013 #11
I wouldn't question the appropriateness nearly as much had not an individual poster been singled out SamYeager Oct 2013 #13
I pointedly singled out that particular post which leads to that poster. Nt Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #16
Why didn't you direct this to that person in that thread? SamYeager Oct 2013 #19
Ya know what? Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #23
I didn't expect that. SamYeager Oct 2013 #26
I'm goign to make one more post to you on this subject. SamYeager Oct 2013 #55
The thing is you made it about your post when you started a new thread. cui bono Oct 2013 #67
I was addressing those particular sentiments in that particular post. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #78
Another quick learner pintobean Oct 2013 #15
I've never participated in a disucssion forum that did not have a meta forum n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #27
Good grief, can't we all just get along? pscot Oct 2013 #10
I wish. nt Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #18
Would be nice. Would be easier if folks didn't want to blame the whole South region for the shutdown Tx4obama Oct 2013 #29
In the thread in question, getting along is far from the intent by the OP and a handful of others. kentauros Oct 2013 #51
Who the hell is John Lucas? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2013 #17
I have been here since 2008. Read the profile johnlucas Oct 2013 #114
knr Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #21
what the hell is that time stamp auntsue Oct 2013 #109
U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands - it is now 2:59pm 10/19 - Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #110
oh my bad - auntsue Oct 2013 #113
It's very important that Americans be kept as divided as possibe solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #25
Not cool. Singling out another DUer like this. cui bono Oct 2013 #30
well, honestly it is an issue. Texasgal Oct 2013 #32
The guy quoted is black and has lived in the south his whole life. cui bono Oct 2013 #47
Please. Texasgal Oct 2013 #50
Huh? Where did I say that anyone loves racism? cui bono Oct 2013 #56
I'm not over overreacting at all Texasgal Oct 2013 #61
I'm sorry. It's hard to follow you since you are not responding to what I'm saying. cui bono Oct 2013 #65
I am asking you Texasgal Oct 2013 #70
Duh was your point? lol. cui bono Oct 2013 #74
I love how we are all able to talk about this well. Texasgal Oct 2013 #75
I love Austin. Didn't get to spend too much time there but there was a cool street festival cui bono Oct 2013 #82
When you've been demonized and vilified like we have of late, please feel free to chime in then. cordelia Oct 2013 #34
That doesn't speak to my point. Then defend the position in response to those posts in the thread cui bono Oct 2013 #36
Take it how you want. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #35
No, the intent is destroy the bigotry of the South. cui bono Oct 2013 #42
isn't that an African American posting about his experiences ? by "him" he is referring to the JI7 Oct 2013 #39
That's how I see it. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #43
He also posted about turning the South black and blue. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #46
There are some people who seem to be new DU Members who KoKo Oct 2013 #52
Yes yes, the south is a poor victim, picked on and abused by us awful fucking nawthunners. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #49
What a load of crap. cordelia Oct 2013 #53
Yup. every time another whiny southern posts a whiny thread, I do Scootaloo Oct 2013 #60
I never said it was because of the oppression and whatever by the Yankees. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #54
That's the constant theme of your posts Scootaloo Oct 2013 #73
Sadly...much of the country these days is F**ed up. KoKo Oct 2013 #58
No argument on either point here Scootaloo Oct 2013 #63
It's more than just racism Egnever Oct 2013 #64
Dog whistles attract all kinds of dogs. rrneck Oct 2013 #57
Yes. This OP pressed a button with the hot topic. The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #100
What it means is pretending the south doesnt send a majority of the nutjobs Egnever Oct 2013 #59
You have no idea what you are taking about. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #62
The fuck i dont Egnever Oct 2013 #68
You still have no idea what you are talking about in regards to me. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #71
So what are you singling out Jon for Egnever Oct 2013 #81
Uh, he already said he wasn't talking about you Warpy Oct 2013 #83
You must have not gotten out much. Texasgal Oct 2013 #72
LOL Egnever Oct 2013 #79
You really need to get out more. Texasgal Oct 2013 #80
We are not stupid. Texasgal Oct 2013 #66
Then whats the crying about? Egnever Oct 2013 #77
The issue that the south Texasgal Oct 2013 #84
i'm from California which has a lot of fucking idiots who think they are more important JI7 Oct 2013 #88
META!!! Iggo Oct 2013 #69
We're used to Florida bashing down here. There's scumbags in every state. Some more than others. L0oniX Oct 2013 #76
And then there was the "I'm from the south" OP recently IrishAyes Oct 2013 #85
Very sad to read some of the posts in the linked thread, but it's nothing new. cry baby Oct 2013 #86
Until 2002 the State of Georgia was DEMOCRATICALLY controlled Glitterati Oct 2013 #87
Lester Maddox, Talmedge, etc., were not liberals. Hoyt Oct 2013 #89
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #90
I've lived in Illinois all of my life ballabosh Oct 2013 #91
It's really a problem when you can't get a grasp on an anonymous poster SaveAmerica Oct 2013 #92
We can never pecwae Oct 2013 #112
As a Born and Bred Southern, I'm going to say this real slow.... Lochloosa Oct 2013 #93
But you are full of GOP idiots! Like Kansas! I do not defend Kansas! Nt Logical Oct 2013 #98
Cool story bro! nt Logical Oct 2013 #97
you win divisive issues by bring people along and not shutting them out. tillikum Oct 2013 #102
Don't let the n00bie trolls get you down. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #103
There is a lot of disgusting posts on DU since a couple of days. Nt Sand Wind Oct 2013 #104
There are much much much worse forms of bigotry in this world. JEdwards8th Oct 2013 #116

liberalmuse

(18,670 posts)
1. I can tell you right now.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:07 PM
Oct 2013

The VAST majority of DU rejects the sentiments in gray. "Nitpicking" comes to mind right now.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
2. Duly noted.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:11 PM
Oct 2013

That may be, but there certainly haven't been many countering these views other than Southerners. And I said SOME.

Questioning DESTROY HIM and 'turning the South black and blue is nitpicking.'
Got it.
Thank you for your participation. Collect your prizes at the door.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
96. Like the South has skin?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:34 PM
Oct 2013

Like the South is a him or a her? I think almost everyone here believe that amalgamated social entities are not persons, and obviously, they don't have sex and skin.

These guys are babbling nonsense. The imagery used is fantasy. Nothing in it shows intent to carry anything out, and you might as well get angry when the wind blows the wrong way.

Also, you're looking at this at a time when people are going to be most pissed off. If this is the worst that you find now, the South is safe.

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
94. It's a simple strategy by that OP first you divide Democrats by region, then you divide by race, I
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:20 PM
Oct 2013

imagine he/she will go after gender next.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. If not mistaken, the person that wrote that has directly experienced wrath of southern bigotry.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:14 PM
Oct 2013

I would actually recommend his posts - as a whole - to tbaggers, and those who say they don't understand the animosity toward the "conservative" south. Threats of violence aren't cool, but I don't take that seriously in his posts.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
24. No it's not.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:32 PM
Oct 2013

I've experienced first hand NASTY racisim... and it was in PHILLY!

No, there is NO "special" brand. It's everywhere.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
38. Do you really believe that
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:42 PM
Oct 2013

nasty racism only happens in the "south"? Philadelphia was awful and actually shocking to the this southerner!

Yeah, I will bash racism anywhere! Even when it happens here. There is NO "special" place it's all over unfortunately.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
45. No one said it only happens in the South. Like I said, bash it everywhere.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:45 PM
Oct 2013

Bash = criticize.

 

JEdwards8th

(25 posts)
115. Yes it is special when southerners express racist sentiments.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:31 PM
Oct 2013

The reason should be obvious. It's not South-bashing to say so. It's acknowledging U.S. history, no different from when we recognize male privilege, or reflect on Thanksgiving about how 'our' (in my case, actual) ancestors decimated the very tribes who taught them to grow maize. It's called dealing with the reality of our history, rather than triangulating political expediency for the next election.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
40. Yes it does...YOUR one anecdotal experience doesn't equal a trend...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:43 PM
Oct 2013

as a White female who spent alot of time in the rural south....believe me...YOU don't want to know the things they say when they think they are surrounded by Whites who agree with them. Trust me on that!

They DO have a Special Brand of it.....positive of it.

By the way...one of my parents is from the north...and I spent alot of time there too and all over the country....

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
48. I am a white woman that has lived here all of my life
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:47 PM
Oct 2013

how do your experiences trump mine?

I love how people inject and they have not lived here in years.

Response to Texasgal (Reply #24)

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
95. There is no "special brand" of bigotry and hatred, it's universal.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:27 PM
Oct 2013


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-chicagodays-martinlutherking-story,0,4515753.story

On this muggy Friday afternoon, Martin Luther King Jr. stepped out of the car that had ferried him to Marquette Park on Chicago's Southwest Side to lead a march of about 700 people. The civil-rights leader and his supporters were in the white ethnic enclave to protest housing segregation. Thousands of jeering, taunting whites had gathered. The mood was ominous. One placard read: "King would look good with a knife in his back."

As King marched, someone hurled a stone. It struck King on the head. Stunned, he fell to one knee. He stayed on the ground for several seconds. As he rose, aides and bodyguards surrounded him to protect him from the rocks, bottles and firecrackers that rained down on the demonstrators. King was one of 30 people who were injured; the disturbance resulted in 40 arrests. He later explained why he put himself at risk: "I have to do this--to expose myself--to bring this hate into the open." He had done that before, but Chicago was different. "I have seen many demonstrations in the South, but I have never seen anything so hostile and so hateful as I've seen here today," he said.

King brought his protest movement north in 1966 to take on black urban problems, especially segregation. Chicago seemed like the perfect battleground. To show his commitment to the northern campaign, King rented an apartment on the West Side.

The Marquette Park march was one of many staged by King's movement that summer. The protests were designed to pressure the city's white leaders into making solid commitments to open housing. But King also faced Mayor Richard J. Daleywho disdained outsiders pointing out Chicago's faults. "Maybe he doesn't have all the facts on the local situation," the mayor said. "After all, he is a resident of another city."

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
99. Everywhere, yes. But MLK was murdered by, and in . . . . .
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:45 PM
Oct 2013

Where were churches bombed, freedom riders killed, lynchings? There is a special/demented brand in south. Not really worth arguing further, but if you beat racism in south, you beat it everywhere.

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
101. MLK was murdered by this man from Illinois, do you suppose we should condemn Illinois for that?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:52 PM
Oct 2013


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Earl_Ray

James Earl Ray came from a poor family in Alton, Illinois, and left school at age 15. He joined the US Army at the close of World War II and served in Germany.



Of course some people including members of the King Family believe it was a conspiracy and that may be the case, I know Jay Edgar Hoover didn't care for King.

The last lynching took place in Indiana, I doubt the victim felt any comfort knowing the hatred and bigotry he suffered from wasn't of the "special brand."

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
105. He was attracted to george wallace. Tell you what, you oppose racism/ignorance where you live, and
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:02 AM
Oct 2013

I will do same. Some day we'll meet for a beer, or glass of malox, to celebrate success.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
107. Thanks. This whole thing got distorted. I think we are all against the same thing
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:13 AM
Oct 2013

and I will try not to bash just the south regarding this issue. But it is dang muggy here, and it's getting hotter every year (just like elsewhere).

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
108. One addendum to Wallace, he did evolve, I believe in large part due to Shirley Chisholm
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:19 AM
Oct 2013


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

Following the assassination attempt, Wallace was visited at the hospital by Democratic Congresswoman and presidential primary rival Shirley Chisholm,[51] a representative from Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn who at the time was the nation's only African-American female member of Congress. Despite their ideological differences and the opposition of Chisholm's constituents, Chisholm felt that to visit Wallace was the humane thing to do.

(snip)

In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he was a born-again Christian and apologized to black civil rights leaders for his past actions as a segregationist. He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness.[note 3] In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: "I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over."[5]



Even "Bubbas" can change.

Peace to you, Hoyt.

klook

(12,134 posts)
111. Little-known story - thanks
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:23 AM
Oct 2013

Wallace did a lot of evil in his life, but he had a sincere change of heart toward the end of his life.

The meeting between him & Shirley Chisholm could be the basis of a great play. That's such a great thing that she did.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
9. Right. Because there is no bigotry anywhere else.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:20 PM
Oct 2013

And we have the monopoly on conservatives.

Right.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
12. I understand the animosity toward haters down here.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:23 PM
Oct 2013

But I do take threats of violence seriously.
I take them seriously from Teashitters and from anybody else. If nothing else, that undercurrent doesn't advance working together to make changes.

You also can't rec just part of a post. That rec applies to all of it. As I said, some valid points are made but it's hard to hear over Mortal Kombat.

So keep on keeping on. Have at it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. My guess is the poster was more than willing to make nice in his youth, right up
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:29 PM
Oct 2013

until he got the "hate stare" and perhaps worse.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
31. I'm sure he got worse.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:36 PM
Oct 2013

There are nasty people down here.
That doesn't excuse that kind of inflammatory rhetoric that's posted here.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
37. It's enough for me to understand where he's coming from.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:41 PM
Oct 2013

I think you are reading too much into the posts.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
8. Isn't this meta?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:20 PM
Oct 2013

Wouldn't a post of this nature be more appropriate in another forum on this site?

I'm not disagreeing with your sentiments, I am merely asking the question about appropriateness.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
13. I wouldn't question the appropriateness nearly as much had not an individual poster been singled out
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:24 PM
Oct 2013

Perhaps the "Ask the Administrators" forum would have been a more appropriate venue?

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
19. Why didn't you direct this to that person in that thread?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:29 PM
Oct 2013

A new thread just didn't seem right to me, though I agree with your opinion about it.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
55. I'm goign to make one more post to you on this subject.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:59 PM
Oct 2013

I saw a thread yesterday that trashed the South.

I posted the following which nobody paid attention to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023873119

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
67. The thing is you made it about your post when you started a new thread.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:10 PM
Oct 2013

You could have just responded in that other thread.

Why didn't you? You never answered that. You only quoted one person, so it seems clear it was about him.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
78. I was addressing those particular sentiments in that particular post.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:22 PM
Oct 2013

I addressed it anew because it is part and parcel of a lot of the hot mess posted here daily.

I am not denying there is ingrained racism, defending the haters down here or dismissing anybody's horrible experiences.
I am also not lumping everybody together who posts something about the South. I am calling out that malice and those who approve of it.

Issues do need to be strongly confronted. Using that particular approach of beating someone down metaphorically or otherwise will really succeed in changing this region. NOT

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
51. In the thread in question, getting along is far from the intent by the OP and a handful of others.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

When you're told that working with kindness and honey doesn't work, that vinegar is the only acceptable way, that's not getting along.

When you're told that you're a racist apologizer because you don't agree with the OP's premise, that's not getting along.

And, when you're told that you cannot post to a thread if you're white, that's especially not getting along.

I have wondered if the people in question aren't paid dissenters.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
17. Who the hell is John Lucas?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:29 PM
Oct 2013

A newbie here to shit-stir?

And when I hear "FINISH HIM!" I think of Bradley Cooper being tased in the nuts.

It *don't* bother me one bit.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
114. I have been here since 2008. Read the profile
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:22 PM
Oct 2013

Sorry if the truth hurts but the truth must be told.

To understand "FINISH HIM!" you must play videogames. Only gamers get that quip.
John Lucas

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
21. knr
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:30 PM
Oct 2013

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

At Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:17 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Regarding the South, have some of you lost your minds and as well as your ethics?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023882052

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Though I can agree with the sentiment of the post, this calls out a specific DUer by name. I believe this is inappropriate.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:26 AM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This looks like a good solid debate. I can't bring myself to lock it. As a point of interest, my opinion is more on the side of the person whose opinion is the source of the critique.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I congratulate Are_grits_groceries on an excellent post. If people post things under their username that is openly hateful - I'm not sure what the problem is in pointing it out.
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auntsue

(277 posts)
109. what the hell is that time stamp
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:31 AM
Oct 2013

I am reading this at 9:29 PM Pacific time so how could something be "Sat Oct 19, 2013, 11:26 AM"?/

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
110. U.S. Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands - it is now 2:59pm 10/19 -
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 12:59 AM
Oct 2013
Where America's day begins

auntsue

(277 posts)
113. oh my bad -
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 08:16 PM
Oct 2013

I kept going east trying to figure it out - didn't think east enough. How cool it is that we can all connect !

solarhydrocan

(551 posts)
25. It's very important that Americans be kept as divided as possibe
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:32 PM
Oct 2013

Geographical stereotypes, imagined racism, anything at all to keep everyone divided because if the people ever decided to unite and concentrate on the real powers that have stolen their liberties and treasure something might start to get done.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
30. Not cool. Singling out another DUer like this.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:35 PM
Oct 2013

Take your argument to the thread the pulled quotes are from. Clearly it's one person that's bothering you yet you are cloaking it as a general DU issue.

*Note that I have not read this or the other thread you linked to, nor the other "south/southern" threads I've seen titles of on here the last day or so. I just think if you are calling out one specific person you do it where they posted.

**Note 2 - I read a little and I think you are taking him literally when he was speaking figuratively. Time to count to 10.


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
47. The guy quoted is black and has lived in the south his whole life.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:46 PM
Oct 2013

He doesn't want to move north. Clearly he likes it there, it is the racism he can't stand and wants wiped out.

It may be an issue, but it's not with this poster imo. He's being misinterpreted due to over-defensive reactions and being taken literally when he was speaking figuratively.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
50. Please.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:51 PM
Oct 2013

No one here LOVES racism! Jesus! I would HOPE we would ALL be united against such bigotry!

DUH!!!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
56. Huh? Where did I say that anyone loves racism?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:59 PM
Oct 2013

Yes, he is against bigotry as well, so what's the problem?

And you can calm down, sheesh. Especially since you're overreacting to something I never said or implied.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
61. I'm not over overreacting at all
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:03 PM
Oct 2013

I am just saying that racism exists and that it is all over. It's not just relegated to the south.

What's the issue?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
65. I'm sorry. It's hard to follow you since you are not responding to what I'm saying.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:08 PM
Oct 2013

I agree with you that racism is not just relegated to the south.

I agree with you that no one, besides racists, love racism. You implied in your last post that I said people like racism. And yes, you did overreact with the way you responded to me last time. Not only with content regarding people not loving racism but with your all caps "DUH".

So, yes, what is the issue?

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
70. I am asking you
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:13 PM
Oct 2013

what your issue is with the "south" since you now understand my posts?

Southerners in general do not agree with racism. duh was my point.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
74. Duh was your point? lol.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:15 PM
Oct 2013

I've never said I had an issue with the south. I was discussing the posts that were cherry picked for the OP.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
75. I love how we are all able to talk about this well.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:17 PM
Oct 2013

I'm just a dumb spitting southerner that knows nothing.

Btw- you should come visit Austin, TX nice lib area that I grew up in.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
82. I love Austin. Didn't get to spend too much time there but there was a cool street festival
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:29 PM
Oct 2013

on Congress Blvd. (?) the night I was there. I wish I had known about the bats at the time.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
36. That doesn't speak to my point. Then defend the position in response to those posts in the thread
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:41 PM
Oct 2013

where they were posted.

It's not cool to single someone out like this. I thought it was against the rules?

Also, I edited my last post to indicate I think the OP is misguided in that they seem to think the singled out poster is being literal when I don't take it that way at all, I think he was speaking figuratively.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
42. No, the intent is destroy the bigotry of the South.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:43 PM
Oct 2013

You really think he wants to actually destroy half the country?

Honestly, if you are this angry about it maybe just take a breather. Not meaning that as an insult at all, but clearly this has gotten you very upset, and I'm sorry for that. But I think you are misunderstanding the intent of his posts.

JI7

(89,182 posts)
39. isn't that an African American posting about his experiences ? by "him" he is referring to the
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:42 PM
Oct 2013

racism that needs to be wiped out.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
46. He also posted about turning the South black and blue.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:45 PM
Oct 2013

Metaphorical or not, it is down right destructive.
I don't blame him for feeling anger toward the haters. That was a blast at everybody whether it was meant to be or not.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
52. There are some people who seem to be new DU Members who
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:53 PM
Oct 2013

are pretty worked up about the South.

I don't care for their posts and I had a post and thread where there were some replies that I thought were OTT. But, not quite like the ones you mention in your post...which seem to me to be inflammatory beyond what we would hope to see here. Does seem that there is some effort by some in doing consistent Southern Bashing that doesn't want to QUIT...though.

Just saying.

Here's my post from earlier this week:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023866471

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
49. Yes yes, the south is a poor victim, picked on and abused by us awful fucking nawthunners.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:49 PM
Oct 2013

Grits, really, I swear you make this same post every week.

And you know what? The south is a fucked-up place. I'm sure you and others are trying to change that, sure. But, it doesn't look like you're having a lot of impact, which I'm sure you've also noticed. What I wonder is if you ever pause to consider there are reasons for this cultural and political stagnation that aren't because of the evil and oppression of the yankees upon poor ol' Dixie. You know, internal, long-standing, cultural reasons that, maybe... you either don't recognize or don't challenge?

I grew up down there, same as you. Maybe it takes getting out of that bubble to see what's going on inside it.

cordelia

(2,174 posts)
53. What a load of crap.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:54 PM
Oct 2013

And also a heapin' helpin' of bigotry, which I swear you unload on Southerners every week.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
60. Yup. every time another whiny southern posts a whiny thread, I do
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:02 PM
Oct 2013

And if calling out this constant stream of sniveling bullshit from knuckleheads who seem to be in a competition to out-pathetic each other for what it is makes me a bigot, well hot damn, I guess I'll just have to live with that. Of course, the reality is that you're just another sniveling Scarlett wannabe, trying to convince themselves that they're being oppressed and persecuted by a yankee.

It's telling that you're all more concerned about what people think about the south, than the causes of those opinions.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
54. I never said it was because of the oppression and whatever by the Yankees.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:57 PM
Oct 2013

I have never claimed that in any post.
I am well aware of the cultural background here.

I am addressing that call to turn the South black and blue. That will work.

BTW I have lived out of the bubble. I have seen this area from other views. That doesn't mean people can't realize it without moving.

Why don't you talk to the people who also post the same thing every week in some form? I've answered them.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
73. That's the constant theme of your posts
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:14 PM
Oct 2013

And you started this one, as rebuttal to one guy making two posts in another thread. I notice in that thread, you didn't respond to this person. Not in those posts, not in any of his other posts on the thread.

No, instead, you decided to once again bang the drum of perpetual southern victimhood. Lawsy lawsy, you have it so hard because a guy said something you dislike, and you were too chickenshit to confront him in the place he said it!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
58. Sadly...much of the country these days is F**ed up.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:00 PM
Oct 2013

and pockets of crazy racists are everywhere. Not just in the South.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
63. No argument on either point here
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:04 PM
Oct 2013

I have yet to see Michiganders posting a thread every three days about what awful fuckers the rest of the country is because we make fun of Michigan, its governor, and detest its treatment of Detroit, though.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
64. It's more than just racism
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:06 PM
Oct 2013

it's lots of other things as well. like refusing obamacare dollars that would help their citizens or calling for seceding. It goes much deeper than just racism.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
57. Dog whistles attract all kinds of dogs.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:59 PM
Oct 2013

That OP was flamebait from start to finish. Just another excuse to bash the south under the guise of advocacy.

The Midway Rebel

(2,191 posts)
100. Yes. This OP pressed a button with the hot topic.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:50 PM
Oct 2013

That OP posted several threads about the topic to troll and is obviously successful.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
59. What it means is pretending the south doesnt send a majority of the nutjobs
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:01 PM
Oct 2013

to congress needs to end, and that the attitudes these knuckle draggers display day in and day out needs to be confronted instead of excused or rationalized away.

One poster in one of those threads tried to pretend california was worse because it had 13 republican congressmen out of 53 than a state that has 9 republicans out of 10. That is burying your head in the sand.

The republicans have been nutso racist for quite some time now yet they keep getting elected overwhelmingly in the south.

You dont think that indicates a problem?

Cause you live there?

Fuck that. I lived in the south and the community there was full of the most racist religiously brainwashed fuckers I ever encountered in my life. It is long past time for that crap to be confronted.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
62. You have no idea what you are taking about.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:04 PM
Oct 2013

Please read my posts in that thread. I have confronted it all my life.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
68. The fuck i dont
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:11 PM
Oct 2013

Lived there , dealt with it. Watched them raise their hands for Jesus then spit on the poor and minorities.

Theres lots of good people in the south working to change things, They are vastly outnumbered. Being quiet about a problem is no way to change it.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
71. You still have no idea what you are talking about in regards to me.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:13 PM
Oct 2013

I have openly confronted this shite everywhere I have found it.
I have never denied that their are haters with their crap down here.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
81. So what are you singling out Jon for
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:28 PM
Oct 2013

He lives it and more so than i ever had to since he is black and I am white. He is sick of dealing with it. He wants to do something about it. You on the other hand seem to be of the opinion no one should call out the overt racism cause it might offend someone.

Did you ignore all the well though out posts he had before the ones you felt the need to repost?

Cause he had a couple of really detailed posts in that thread.

If you did read them how in the world are you misinterpreting the ones you re posted here so badly?

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
83. Uh, he already said he wasn't talking about you
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:29 PM
Oct 2013

I've lived in the south, too, and I confirm every word he said. Southern lefties are great but they're so enormously outnumbered as to be nearly invisible.

I left in the late 60s and have been back a time or three. I've found some positive changes in the cities. I've found the countryside still mired in the same old bullshit they always were and that's the problem.

I can only think that it must start in the churches.

The south as a whole needs to look within, find out what works and what has been holding them back for a century or more.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
79. LOL
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:23 PM
Oct 2013

Yea its all the super sweet people i just didnt get a chance to run into in all my years there that keep sending people like Ted Cruz to Washington.

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
66. We are not stupid.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:09 PM
Oct 2013

We know we have nut jobs. Nobody is disputing that!

What's up in your state? Do you live in a democratic utopia? What state is that? Curious.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
77. Then whats the crying about?
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:19 PM
Oct 2013

Nope my state is fucked up too. I currently live in Nevada. We are getting bluer but it isnt a fast enough process. I blame a large part of that on the media we have here.

You want to call out Nevada? Be my guest. I recognize our idiots and feel bad for foisting them on the rest of the country. I am doing what i can to fix it as I am sure you are in whatever corner of the country you are in.

Why do you feel it is a personal attack on you that there's a bunch of fucked up people in your state?

Texasgal

(17,029 posts)
84. The issue that the south
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:30 PM
Oct 2013

gets blamed for everything is really shitty. Especially here on DU.

Why can't you get that?

And to be honest if you think that "we" Southern Du'ers support the crappy shit head teabaggers in office you are sadly mistaken.

It sucks being called out and being called racist and TRASH!

JI7

(89,182 posts)
88. i'm from California which has a lot of fucking idiots who think they are more important
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:38 PM
Oct 2013

than they are. they care mostly for fame and want to try to impress others. bunch of fucking ignorant idiot asses.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
85. And then there was the "I'm from the south" OP recently
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:30 PM
Oct 2013

where some poor soul developed a liberal conscience quite independently and then escaped north, only to claim moral superiority over those who supposedly had their (allegedly faux) liberalism handed to them on a platter by liberal parents. I bit back, I really did, and got gang-jumped for not agreeing that I was morally inferior to the poor little southern escapee.

I said then and still maintain that it didn't seem to me the poster had left arrogance and a false sense of superiority behind. It was damned whiney. Look at me! I made myself a liberal so I'm much more authentic than the offspring of some damnYankee whose liberalism likely amounts to no more than "plumage". Yes, plumage.

And people wonder why we don't bow down to them. Sheesh! They'll get a lot better reception if they stop introducing themselves with a pointy-toed kick to the shins. I like a lot of Southerners. Love the SPLC which is in my will. But damned if I'll tip my hat and step off the sidewalk for the whiney sort when they swagger by.

cry baby

(6,682 posts)
86. Very sad to read some of the posts in the linked thread, but it's nothing new.
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:31 PM
Oct 2013

Been here for 9 years and have seen the broad brushing of the south forever here. There aren't many south basher bigots, but enough to make it disheartening for we southerners that work hard every election to change things around.

Mostly good folk here, but a few....not so good.

 

Glitterati

(3,182 posts)
87. Until 2002 the State of Georgia was DEMOCRATICALLY controlled
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:36 PM
Oct 2013

for 130 years.

But, none of that matters to these assholes who bash the south.

Not one fact alters their racism. And, that's what it is plain and simple - RACISM.

Yes, what you see on DU is what the Democratic party has become - because those "Republicans" controlling Georgia now? Yeah, they WERE Democrats once - until the Republicans gained control of this state and they switched parties. AFTER THEY BANKRUPTED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY running for office on Democratic money, and then switching parties.

On Tuesday, it all paid off: Mr. Perdue became the state's first elected Republican governor in 130 years. Mr. Chambliss unseated Senator Max Cleland, a decorated Vietnam war hero. The nation's longest-serving State House speaker, Tom Murphy, was sent packing after 28 years. The Democratic State Senate majority leader was also defeated, as was his son, who lost a Congressional race in a district that had been redrawn just for him.

The victories did not stop on Election Day, either. On Friday, three Democratic state senators switched parties, giving Republicans control of a legislative chamber for the first time since Reconstruction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/10/us/2002-election-georgia-bush-s-push-eager-volunteers-big-turnout-led-georgia-sweep.html


But these racist, bigoted assholes care not one whit for FACTS. They just enjoy bashing the hell out of us instead of getting up off their lazy asses and helping DO something about it.


Response to Hoyt (Reply #89)

ballabosh

(330 posts)
91. I've lived in Illinois all of my life
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 10:54 PM
Oct 2013

Never even been to the South except for a trip to Disneyworld. Believe me there are plenty of racists here. My inlaws are prime examples. Of course most of them live in or on the Illinois border with Indiana, which, as far as I am concerned, matches in terms of racism any state in the south (no offense to any Hoosier Duers).

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
92. It's really a problem when you can't get a grasp on an anonymous poster
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:03 PM
Oct 2013

Even though he's including a name you can't tell if he's serious about his methods or just trying to get a rise out of people here. If he's serious, then he's using the same methodology as the Tea Party and those who would like to see the US go up in flames so they can 'start it up' anew. I don't even think he understands that he is on the same level as them and if you think about it, you can imagine that his experiences could be bringing out this side in him. He might have been the victim of years of mistreatment and people not standing up for him and he's at a place where he's ready to torch us all for what he would find as relief and a fresh start. Unfortunately he'd torch some great people and not even know it.

And if he is the John Lucas he is portraying himself as in these posts, I hope he can see how his words and desires are not too different from hate groups in the south. Finish us? I don't think he understands the fight there'd be from those of us who really love this place and are working so hard to turn it around.

pecwae

(8,021 posts)
112. We can never
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 05:48 AM
Oct 2013

know the intentions of anonymous posters. Even those with years of posting history may be the opposite of what they portray. Newer posters lighting flames through seemingly jaundiced eyes are somewhat troubling.

Lochloosa

(16,019 posts)
93. As a Born and Bred Southern, I'm going to say this real slow....
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:13 PM
Oct 2013

We may talk slow but it does not mean we're stupid.

Thank you Grits!

 

JEdwards8th

(25 posts)
116. There are much much much worse forms of bigotry in this world.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:45 PM
Oct 2013

Racism springs to mind. I grew up in rural southern Wyoming and as a white male, raised Methodist, I experienced first hand the level of outright bigotry and misogyny that redneck shitkickers are capable of achieving...

... oddly enough, all these rednecks nationwide seem to have the same affectation: they fake-drawl. This is not anecdotal, we can do a study. Moving around the country, I have found the same phenomenon, coast-to-coast: wanna-be rednecks *pretend* to be southern. They *identify* as southern.

This is the South's real problem... not southerners, but wanna-be-southerners and used-to-be southerners giving the *changing* South a worse reputation than the one it's already *earned*.

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