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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:15 AM Nov 2013

The ACA continues to get pummeled in the press...

I hope it's not a albatross around the neck of our candidates in 2014 and our presidential candidate in 2016.

I also hope more people start to like it and if they don't that changes can be made so they like it.

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The ACA continues to get pummeled in the press... (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 OP
The Media Is On The Side Of The GOP. What Do You Expect. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2013 #1
The press has turned it into a "post office" joke/nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2013 #2
Sadlly Whether They Are A Joke Or Not They Are Having A Bad Effect. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2013 #3
What pisses me off leftynyc Nov 2013 #8
What if becomes an albatross completely on it's own Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #4
Don't sweat it. Laelth Nov 2013 #5
Thank you, always need someone to rise above all the sh*t. a kennedy Nov 2013 #6
My pleasure. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #11
"it will, most likely, prove to be a success" NM_Birder Nov 2013 #10
There are a number of things that I dislike about the ACA. Laelth Nov 2013 #12
I dislike the fact that it has nothing to do with health CARE, only insurance avalability. NM_Birder Nov 2013 #16
The major problems are with the health insurance industry, not the ACA. Laelth Nov 2013 #17
But the ACA institutionalizes that Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #23
I'm not blaming the ACA for the ridiculous cost of insurance, NM_Birder Nov 2013 #24
Because … 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #20
Its coming along fine. grantcart Nov 2013 #7
Personally i am not worried about the law tiredtoo Nov 2013 #9
today's press won't matter in 6 months much less 12 alc Nov 2013 #13
Excellent post. Thanks. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #15
Worst thing would be people not talking about it in the press. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #14
The funny thing is … 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #21
But approval polls keep going up Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #18
This will be an issue for the baggers in 2014-2016 not dems kydo Nov 2013 #19
Talk To Me In 6 Months BKH70041 Nov 2013 #22
 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
1. The Media Is On The Side Of The GOP. What Do You Expect.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:20 AM
Nov 2013

My reply is not meant as a criticism but a statement that the media is trying to sabotage the country really. I have never seen the press so bad ever. It gets worse by the day. They spend all their time trying to level the field for the GOP. They are trying to bury the shut down. They are like a paid off referee shaving points to keep the game close. And the MSM's actions are treason.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
3. Sadlly Whether They Are A Joke Or Not They Are Having A Bad Effect.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:24 AM
Nov 2013

They keep the GOP in power because they can still win enough elections.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. What pisses me off
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:44 AM
Nov 2013

if that this is a self-inflicted wound. The rollout should have been held off until they were SURE the website worked.

P.S. I'd look up the actual definition of treason before I would throw that very serious charge around.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
4. What if becomes an albatross completely on it's own
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:28 AM
Nov 2013

due to any defect or flaw in the legislation? Not being argumentative, just hypothetical for sake of discussing how it could negatively impact 2014. To the point of your OP, I do agree that the msm is going out of it's way to make it look bad.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
5. Don't sweat it.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:38 AM
Nov 2013

It's a slow news cycle, and they don't have anything else to talk about.

The ACA is the law, and it's not going anywhere. It will, most likely, prove to be a success, so I am not worried about it. Let the press holler all they want. That won't change a thing.

-Laelth

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
10. "it will, most likely, prove to be a success"
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:50 AM
Nov 2013

That's the most inspiring slogan for the ACA I've ever heard.
It sure is more truthful than the irresponsible way it was sold to the public.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
12. There are a number of things that I dislike about the ACA.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:57 AM
Nov 2013

All the same, it's better than what we had before, and it may lead us to a single-payer system. That's my hope, anyway.



-Laelth

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
16. I dislike the fact that it has nothing to do with health CARE, only insurance avalability.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:25 PM
Nov 2013

And I don't like the back tracking of how it was sold to the public.

I was able to get on and nose around earlier this week when the site was active here in NM, I can get a premium that is indeed cheaper than my premiums are now, but the plan has a deductible that is just plain ridiculous.

I'm a fortunate few, my company medical benefits are not going anywhere so I'm unaffected for now, no matter how this works out. But the problems are more than just "kinks" to be worked out on a website, the big obstacles are yet to appear, linking a persons medical insurance payments to their tax returns was one part I am a little queezy about.

If signing people up was the easy part, then remain seated with your tray in the upright position, because there is some pretty jolting turbulence ahead.

in general, what the public had before was unfair and inadequate, what we end up is yet to be seen. the president's qualifying remark, You can keep your healthcare if you like it.......so long as the law doesn't change it's availability is not going to be forgotten. This thing needs to start purring like a kitten or people are not going to sign up and it possibly could implode in on itself.



Laelth

(32,017 posts)
17. The major problems are with the health insurance industry, not the ACA.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:41 PM
Nov 2013

I hear you, but blaming the ACA for the ever-increasing costs of health care seems misguided to me. At least the ACA caps health insurance company profits at 20%. Medicare, of course, runs at 95% efficiency, but, heaven forbid, we can't have "socialized" medicine in the U.S. That would be socialism! (as if that's anything more than a stupid and circular argument)

My big problem with the ACA is that it brings in the health insurance companies as for-profit partners in an enterprise that I believe, ethically, should not be for-profit, i.e. health care. That said, it's possible that the ACA will lead us to single-payer eventually.



-Laelth

 

NM_Birder

(1,591 posts)
24. I'm not blaming the ACA for the ridiculous cost of insurance,
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:08 PM
Nov 2013

I blame the ACA for being implemented before it was properly prepared for roll-out, THAT may be the cause of it's failure. The ACA success is primarily based on the confidence the American people in it's ability to deliver the goods.

The ACA is law, ...but nobody living in the real world would think it could start up without some hic-ups, and a few glitches along the way, but this has been remarkably embarrassing on what I consider the least problematic step of the process.........allowing people to sign up. For the ACA to be a success it has to be trusted, it requires the American people to trust the program with the security of their personal information and medical records linked to their financial history, and then be evaluated by the IRS at some point. That is a rather large chunk to bite off, even in the best of circumstances. The IRS chasing down fines from people who don't have health insurance is not the engine that will drive the ACA.

There's some very serious back stepping on the "nobody is saying you can't keep your current health insurance" sales pitch, coupled with the Congressional hearings on the start up belly flop, the differential between very low premiums and ridiculous deductibles,.... and we haven't even gotten to the actual mechanics of implementation yet. This was a HUGE bite of the pie for the possibility that it could lead to something better.

Time will tell, but more people are losing all coverage - even crappy coverage every day, and confidence in the program is wobbly at best I would think. Some people who wrote the bill - signed into the ACA would speak louder than any speech regarding it's "potential success"...it's the law now, not a campaign promise. Population confidence is key to the ACA, and so far, the ACA is playing about as bad as my NY Giants

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. Because …
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:13 PM
Nov 2013
If you like your policy … your doctor … you will, mostly likely, be able to keep them …


... Is such a responsible, winning campaign.

It amazes me that so many wish to get/are being wrapped around the axle about something that is/was clearly puffery … and puffery that does not affect 97% of the population, at that.

I am especially amazed when considering that we are unphased by the, literally, hundreds – if not thousands - of instances of puffery that we experience, directly, and ignore, every day in real life.

BTW … has your* vehicle gotten that 38 mpg and scored you the admiration and attention of all your peers?

{Note: This is not specific to you; but rather, the generic.”

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
9. Personally i am not worried about the law
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:45 AM
Nov 2013

But i am not happy with the MSM and their incessant bad press about it. We must have enthusiastic support of the law. I am looking at this from a political point of view.

alc

(1,151 posts)
13. today's press won't matter in 6 months much less 12
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:58 AM
Nov 2013

In 6 months when everyone's had a chance to sign up and use their policy either most people will like it or won't like it or it's mixed results (i.e. any result is possible). Nobody's even used a policy yet so it's way too early to cheer or worry.

The ACA will have a negative effect on some people (quite a few people in number but not %). The one thing Democrats (and DU) can do now is to show compassion for those people rather than saying they are full of bs or wrong. In many cases (not all) people are mistaken about their negative problem. Working with them with a path of "compassion to help" will work out much better than "accusal of lying to correction".

And, where people aren't wrong in saying they got screwed by the ACA, the Democrats need to be the first ones making a list of things that need to be fixed and go into 2014 elections a set of fixes they will implement if they take back the house. Even if there are many big problems with the ACA it can be a positive rather than negative for elections as long as they accept the problems rather than blow them off as bs or "only a small percentage of people affected"

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. Worst thing would be people not talking about it in the press.
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:59 AM
Nov 2013

Better for it to take its licks now and get running strong by December.

They have to work out the kinks--that's what governing means.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. The funny thing is …
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:14 PM
Nov 2013

The number of “conservatives” that will go to the site for the purpose of “discovering” their own ObamaCare Horror Story for re-telling at their “conservative” gathering … only to find their horror story is actually a blessing.

 

Lifelong Dem

(344 posts)
18. But approval polls keep going up
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:44 PM
Nov 2013
Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 08:55 AM PST

Despite glitches at HealthCare.gov, despite a non-stop onslaught of news stories about cancellation letters and "Obamacare took my insurance away," yet another poll shows that Obamacare isn't losing support but in fact is gaining in popularity.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/06/1253569/-Poll-More-uninsured-view-Obamacare-nbsp-favorably

kydo

(2,679 posts)
19. This will be an issue for the baggers in 2014-2016 not dems
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:53 PM
Nov 2013

I say let them pile it on ... and then I will rejoice in watching this explode in their face.

For all of ACA's faults its still going to be a huge success. Watch by March all this website crap will be forgotten and ACA will enjoy huge support. Baggers got nothing.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
22. Talk To Me In 6 Months
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:18 PM
Nov 2013

But they better get things straightened out soon. And I'm not just talking about the web site.

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