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zbdent

(35,392 posts)
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:40 PM Nov 2013

For the record, I STILL do not support the "Nuclear Option".

I know it can, and probably will, BITE DEMOCRATS ON THE A** in the not-too-distant future.

However, I prefer that the filibusters be used sparingly.

What I would support is if the g*ddamn "liberally-biased media" would show all the Repugs during Bush43's term demanding that the "Nuclear Option" was allowed to be put into play, instead of focusing on the "hypocritical liberal Democrats" who now did this.

Also, I would support the "l.b.m." pointing out how many times the filibuster has been put into play since 1/20/2009 vs 1/20/2001-1/19/2009.

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For the record, I STILL do not support the "Nuclear Option". (Original Post) zbdent Nov 2013 OP
We can now fill federal court vacancies with people upaloopa Nov 2013 #1
All I can say is they better pack the hell outta the courts now, because turnabout is fair play. I Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #2
never said Mitch was ... zbdent Nov 2013 #4
I actually gaged when turtle neck was speaking..... a kennedy Nov 2013 #11
I've heard the soundbite on the radio. I can't bear to look at him. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #21
Republicans and the Constitution StarrGazerr Nov 2013 #3
This was their idea not that long ago. zbdent Nov 2013 #6
Hear! Hear! Skidmore Nov 2013 #16
We hit them back first. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #5
Yeah, 'cause Republicans always play fair and would never has used this against the Dems. Scuba Nov 2013 #7
Are you forgetting the months of "liberally-biased media" giving the Repugs the "AOK" to zbdent Nov 2013 #17
It's easy to understand why the media has their liberal agenda ... Scuba Nov 2013 #19
McConnell told Reid to go get his shine box one too many times. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #8
It's so worth it. HappyMe Nov 2013 #9
You'd better f'ing donate to Get Dems elected to the Senate in 2014 and start canvassing by August. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #10
'However, I prefer that the filibusters be used sparingly' that reality does not exist. spanone Nov 2013 #12
gee, you're right ... zbdent Nov 2013 #15
Our asses had multiple boils on them already! FarPoint Nov 2013 #13
The majority party has the right to install its appointees and enact its agenda. Blue Idaho Nov 2013 #14
they need to know WHO WON THE ELECTION Skittles Nov 2013 #18
If Only It Weren't About Race & Obstruction otohara Nov 2013 #20

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. We can now fill federal court vacancies with people
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:42 PM
Nov 2013

to offset Bush II's appointments.
Strike while the iron is hot!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
2. All I can say is they better pack the hell outta the courts now, because turnabout is fair play. I
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:46 PM
Nov 2013

wish there had been another way to do it, but Sen. Mitch McChinless wasn't a man of his word.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
4. never said Mitch was ...
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:48 PM
Nov 2013

I was against the "Nuclear Option" back when it was first put on the table, under Bush43.

I knew it would be used against whomever was in power at the time.

That being said, it would be nice if Obama would act (on occasion) like the dictator that the Repugs/'baggers claim he is.

StarrGazerr

(60 posts)
3. Republicans and the Constitution
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:47 PM
Nov 2013

I love it when the Republicans try to claim that Harry Reid is "violating the Constitution" by restoring the Senate to the rules that the Constitution provides. I honestly don't think most Right Wingers even know that there is nothing in the Constitution about filibusters. The Constitution provides that each House of Congress shall decide matters by a majority vote, except for those specific enumerated issues where a higher majority is required, such as the approval of Constitutional Amendments, which requires a two thirds vote. The filibuster rule may well be unconstitutional itself (and having studied the Constitution for the last 40 years, I believe that is the case), and removing it does not "violate" the Constitution; rather, it restores it.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
6. This was their idea not that long ago.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:50 PM
Nov 2013

and many of the 7 repugs who showed some intelligence (if not all, I don't have the #s in front of me) to block the "nuclear option" were removed by voters.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
5. We hit them back first.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:50 PM
Nov 2013

If the GOP got control of the Senate, they would have certainly nuked the filibuster. We got there first, and because of that, we get to push close to a hundred judges into the federal courts, and a bunch of new executive branch appointees.

Totally worth it.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Yeah, 'cause Republicans always play fair and would never has used this against the Dems.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:52 PM
Nov 2013

They would have changed the rule 10 seconds after taking a majority in the Senate.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
17. Are you forgetting the months of "liberally-biased media" giving the Repugs the "AOK" to
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:25 PM
Nov 2013

do the "nuclear option" under Bush43?

I didn't forget.

I was against it then.

And I don't believe for one moment that the "liberally-biased media" will let the Republican party die the slow, painful death it deserves for its obstructionism. When it comes to Republicans, the "l.b.m." sure likes to be Dr. Frankenstein in reanimating the Republican corpses.

Watch ... that coke snorting Florida Republican will likely be touted as a candidate for the 2020 Presidential election, with the "liberally-biased media's" blessing, because "he sought treatment". I remember that one of the first things I saw on the "liberally-biased media" web pages, and one of the first things I HEARD from the "liberally-biased media's" news stories concerning the passing of Ted Kennedy was ... CHAPPAQUIDDICK.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
8. McConnell told Reid to go get his shine box one too many times.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:52 PM
Nov 2013

Now Dem leadership is cleaning up and burying the bloated GOP carcass.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
9. It's so worth it.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:54 PM
Nov 2013

We get to install some judges. We have stood around scratching our asses long enough.

They would have done the same thing, had they had the opportunity.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
10. You'd better f'ing donate to Get Dems elected to the Senate in 2014 and start canvassing by August.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:54 PM
Nov 2013

Because we need to hold Dem majority in 2014. 2016 senate race is more favorable to Dems.

spanone

(135,632 posts)
12. 'However, I prefer that the filibusters be used sparingly' that reality does not exist.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:56 PM
Nov 2013

if you're relying on the media, good luck.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
15. gee, you're right ...
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013

I'll take back all my sarcastic and irony-laden references to the liberal bias in the media.

BTW - that was sarcasm.

I'm not relying on the media to do anything really helpful to Dems.

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
13. Our asses had multiple boils on them already!
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:59 PM
Nov 2013

The GOP obstructionist gave us MRSA. The filibuster was needed to cure our asses.

Blue Idaho

(4,987 posts)
14. The majority party has the right to install its appointees and enact its agenda.
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:04 PM
Nov 2013

Its a representative Democracy. If Republicans take the White House and the Senate they have the constitutional right to follow through on the commitments they made during the election - and so do the Democrats when they hold a majority. Then let the people judge if those policies and those appointees are making America better or worse. If worse - vote them out of office, change the appointees, and the policies. Simple.

Whenever a small group of well intentioned powerful people believe they know better than the general citizenry - and act to thwart the will of the people - then tyranny replaces democracy.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
20. If Only It Weren't About Race & Obstruction
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:35 PM
Nov 2013

but it is and I'm all for this vote today.

We'll just have to work harder to keep Dems in the Senate - which I don't think will be too hard
to do considering the GOP is bat-shit crazy hateful

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