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Tom Tomorrow (Original Post) wilsonbooks Nov 2013 OP
Good Cartoon ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #1
did you miss the preceding panels? Skittles Nov 2013 #4
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #5
Tom Tomorrow already did Skittles Nov 2013 #6
Thank you for your most unresponsive responses. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #7
someone else can explain it to you Skittles Nov 2013 #8
Because apparently you can't. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #9
I can but..... Skittles Nov 2013 #10
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #11
What Obama screwed up Jim Lane Nov 2013 #14
EXCELLENT summary! nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #15
Ahhhh, Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #21
+1. Well said. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #22
Well said. zeemike Nov 2013 #25
Excellent summary. woo me with science Nov 2013 #27
Yep Tom Tomorrow gets it. zeemike Nov 2013 #2
Yeah Wilsonbooks, woofless Nov 2013 #3
Thanks for the welcome Warren wilsonbooks Nov 2013 #12
Hope that you had a wonderful Thanksgiving wilsonbooks Nov 2013 #13
I think Tom Tomorrow reads DU Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #17
I agree. Laelth Nov 2013 #23
Single Payer would have solved this DemocraticWing Nov 2013 #16
I disagree with Tom, a website != obamacare... uponit7771 Nov 2013 #18
Tom seems to have an issue with just the website and not Obamacare itself. Kaleva Nov 2013 #19
Excellent toon. Laelth Nov 2013 #20
K&R 99Forever Nov 2013 #24
Makes me think of this. valerief Nov 2013 #26
Good one. jsr Nov 2013 #28
too true. nt Sheri Nov 2013 #29
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. Okay ...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:46 PM
Nov 2013

so since you're not explaining the cartoon can you now not explain what that table leg thing is.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
14. What Obama screwed up
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 11:54 PM
Nov 2013

1. Not going for single payer, i.e., "Medicare for All" -- or, as a fallback, maybe a phase-in, such as Ted Kennedy's proposal of Medicare for children, or lower the Medicare eligibility age on a fixed schedule until everyone is covered. Even if this effort failed (as it probably would have), just making the effort would have moved the debate to the left. For example, getting the public option (see #2) would have become more likely.

2. Not insisting on a robust public option. I never really expected him to endorse single payer but he himself set "robust public option" as a minimum standard and then caved on it without a fight.

3. Cutting the deal with Big Pharma to protect the drug companies from bargaining over prices.

4. Proposing a RW-devised plan that (a) perpetuated the basic scheme of most people relying on their employment for their health insurance, which makes it harder for them to quit crummy jobs, and (b) entrenched the role of big, for-profit, private insurance companies, which means that much of our total spending on "health care" will continue to be diverted to advertising, other marketing crapola, bloated CEO salaries, and dividends to shareholders, instead of providing actual health care.

Note that these first four decisions could all be defended as necessary compromises to create a bipartisan plan -- except that he made all these compromises and STILL didn't get any Republican votes.

5. The cumulative effect is that, if this plan fails, it will be taken as evidence that government should stay out of health care; and if it succeeds, with the private companies still involved and creating all the resulting inefficiency, and some people still not having insurance because they choose the penalty, and some with insurance still not getting all the care they need because of co-pays and deductibles, it will nevertheless be taken as evidence that government should stay out of health care except for continuing to act as the handmaiden of the private companies.

6. The nonideological screwup of the botched rollout, as Obama himself has (with admirable candor) admitted. I think that, by the 2014 elections, the whole system will have largely recovered from these unhappy early days, but these problems should never have arisen. Yes, it's not all Obama's doing -- the Supreme Court's ruling changed part of the structure that had been set up, and the Republicans have been their usual totally unhelpful selves -- but the man who oversaw an information technology marvel when it came to the software for his re-election effort should have been riding closer herd on the preparations for October 1.

As for that table leg thing, I'm as mystified as you are. Perhaps someone else will enlighten both of us.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Ahhhh, Okay ...
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 09:53 AM
Nov 2013

a response ... Thanks!

Note that these first four decisions could all be defended as necessary compromises to create a bipartisan plan -- except that he made all these compromises and STILL didn't get any Republican votes.


Except, while getting republican votes would have been nice ... the compromises weren't to get republic votes, as much as to ensure as many Democratic votes, as possible.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
25. Well said.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 10:02 AM
Nov 2013

But I would add one more.
Hiring a company that had failed before to create an overly complicated web site and paying them hundreds of millions to do it...when they could have hired some American geeks that needed a job to do it....and would have done a much better job for a lot less.

And I think the table leg was just a snark.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
23. I agree.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 09:56 AM
Nov 2013

I hope he read the following (which I have been posting occasionally):

No apologizing for the ACA!

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman


Tomorrow is correct. The dissatisfied left has little choice but to support the ACA.

-Laelth
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