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still_one

(91,965 posts)
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:57 PM Aug 2014

So when Russia invaded Georgia, I remember the repukes and others talking big, and threatening this

and that, and pounding their chests, and saying how macho they were, yet when it all came down to it, they did nothing, and the media never said they were all talk and no substance, they just kind of swept it under the rug.

So now the perception from the media and the war mongers are that either Obama doesn't act, he "thinks too much"

Funny how the media essentially worked arm in arm with perpetuating the WMD lie to justify our invasion into Iraq.

It is about time someone things before acting

The media was a disgrace then, and still is

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So when Russia invaded Georgia, I remember the repukes and others talking big, and threatening this (Original Post) still_one Aug 2014 OP
The truth about South Ossetia polly7 Aug 2014 #1
pure insanity, with Americans who have very short memories still_one Aug 2014 #2
It was insanity. nt. polly7 Aug 2014 #4
Never Russia's fault. Someone else is always the aggressor. Putin is a peace lover. TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #5
LOL!! polly7 Sep 2014 #6
The truth is Putin attacks, invades, and keeps parts of Russia's former (weakened) TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #7
What about this 'truth'? polly7 Sep 2014 #8
Yeah, the US corporatemediawhore$$ carrying goPropaganda. Cut 'em off in 2002. Cha Aug 2014 #3

polly7

(20,582 posts)
1. The truth about South Ossetia
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 10:05 PM
Aug 2014
After the west heaped blame on Russia for the conflict, it ignores new evidence of Georgia's crimes of aggression

Seumas Milne
theguardian.com, Friday 31 October 2008 16.15 GMT

So now they tell us. Two months after the brief but bloody war in the Caucasus which was overwhelmingly blamed on Russia by western politicians and media at the time, a serious investigation by the BBC has uncovered a very different story.

Not only does the report by Tim Whewell – aired this week on Newsnight and on [link:Radio 4's File on Four|Radio 4's File on Four] - find strong evidence confirming western-backed Georgia as the aggressor on the night of August 7. It also assembles powerful testimony of wide-ranging war crimes carried out by the Georgian army in its attack on the contested region of South Ossetia.

They include the targeting of apartment block basements – where civilians were taking refuge – with tank shells and Grad rockets, the indiscriminate bombardment of residential districts and the deliberate killing of civilians, including those fleeing the South Ossetian capital of Tskinvali.
The carefully balanced report – which also details evidence of ethnic cleansing by South Ossetian paramilitaries – cuts the ground from beneath later Georgian claims that its attack on South Ossetia followed the start of a Russian invasion the previous night.

At the time, the Georgian government said its assault on Tskinvali was intended to "restore constitutional order" in an area it has never ruled, as well as to counter South Ossetian paramilitary provocations. Georgian intelligence subsequently claimed to have found the tape of an intercepted phone call backing up its Russian invasion story – but even Georgia's allies balk at a claim transparently intended to bolster its shaky international legal position .


Full article: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/oct/31/russia-georgia

At the start of the August conflict, western media reporting was relatively even-handed, but rapidly switched into full-blown cold war revival mode as Russia turned the tables on the US's Georgian client regime and Nato expansion in the region. Clear initial evidence of who started the war and Georgian troops' killing spree in Tskhinvali was buried or even denied in a highly effective PR operation from Tbilisi.


McCain: ‘We Are All Georgians’

Posted on Aug 14, 2008

commons.wikimedia.org

If there is any doubt that John McCain is gulping down the neocon Kool-Aid on Georgia, one need only read his new manifesto in The Wall Street Journal, where he once again flaunts his Wikipedia-sourced foreign policy expertise.

In addition to misrepresenting the crisis in favor of his good friend and neocon man-crush Georgian President Saakashvili, McCain once again speaks as if he isn’t the leading cheerleader for America’s own war of agression: “The world has learned at great cost the price of allowing aggression against free nations to go unchecked.”

polly7

(20,582 posts)
6. LOL!!
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:21 AM
Sep 2014

Sometimes the truth is just ...... the truth.

But everyone seems to need a boogeyman these days to blame it all on ..... though only if it's not someone from the west.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. The truth is Putin attacks, invades, and keeps parts of Russia's former (weakened)
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 10:33 AM
Sep 2014

Soviet neighbors under the ruse of protecting "ethnic Russians" in a paranoid bid to keep them in the Russian sphere and deter NATO encroachment. Which makes his weak little neighbors want to join NATO for protection. Self-defeating. Russia should worry less about controlling its neighbors and worry more about building a better economy for itself.

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