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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 11:18 AM Sep 2014

Ray Rice, the NFL, the DA and anarchy

They told me if I embraced anarchism that elites would go unpunished for greed and violence while the common people endured brutality and privation -- and they were right!

First, let me say that I think the NFL has so ham-handedly fouled the issue. They tried to skate by with allowing yet another celebrity not face the consequences of their actions but when the CCTV footage emerged they quickly moved not punish Rice out of moral conviction but cover their own asses. How did they think Janay was rendered unconscious? What did they think that was going to look like? Were they dumb enough to think she was rendered unconscious by harsh-language or do they think we're dumb enough to think that was a possibility?

But that is actually beside the point. The real point is the NFL has no business dispensing legal sanctions. No private corporation should be doing that. We live in a nation where no one can be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process. Just because a corporation (a tax-exempt, anti-trust exempt, corporation by the way) is the one depriving liberty and property doesn't make it OK. It actually makes it worse. Corporations are not duly constituted civil authority. It's bad enough they corrupt politics and politicians enjoy being corrupted but when government cedes the authority to impose fines and punishments we are all in some seriously deep doo-doo.

Yet, we were left to rely on the NFL because the DA in NJ is all but in dereliction of duty. The claim is made that because the now Mrs. Rice declined to testify against her then fiancé the DA could not prosecute. That's BS. Domestic violence laws take this oft-seen phenomenon into account. Instead the DA chose/elected/decided to offer Mr. Rice entrance into a diversion program. Check out this amazing level of bald-faced lying --

"Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances," Jay McKeen, a spokesman for the Atlantic County prosecutor's office, told ABC News.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11495795/prosecutor-office-defends-ray-rice-decision


We could fertilize the Sahara with that load.

The prosecutor that declined to prosecute Rice even though he had video of Janay being drilled in the face with the fist of a brute who supposedly loves her and then dragged her unconscious body out of the elevator only to leave her sprawled on the hallway floor is also the same prosecutor that is seeking to destroying first-time offender Shaneen Allen.

Ms. Allen is a single mother working multiple jobs. Ms. Allen was robbed twice within the space of a year and decided to obtain her concealed carry permit. Now, I understand I have lost some of you already but hear this out, not as a 2A debate but as an equality under the law issue. Ms. Allen complied with Pennsylvania law, going through the extensive background check and training in state law and safe handling.

Ms. Allen was driving to work when she was stopped for making an improper lane change. She had been in possession of her weapon for barely a week but seeking to do the right thing she volunteered to inform the stopping officer that she was carrying concealed. The state of NJ does not recognize permits issued by Ms. Allen's state of residency, Pennsylvania.

She's facing 10 years in prison. She will be a convicted felon. Her education as a healthcare professional will be rendered meaningless.

Allow me to repeat what the DA's office said --

"Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances," Jay McKeen, a spokesman for the Atlantic County prosecutor's office, told ABC News.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11495795/prosecutor-office-defends-ray-rice-decision


Ms. Allen didn't knock a loved one unconscious. Ms. Allen volunteered her information seeking to do the right thing. Ms. Allen didn't leave a limp body lying on the floor as a spectacle. Ms. Allen doesn't have celebrity status and rich contracts.

And it's not just Ms. Allen. Invading armies subjugate the people in Missouri. Babies are being maimed in their cribs because of professional incompetence but no one is held to account. Banks squander people's life savings in bad decisions only to take the people's tax money to avoid the consequence of the bad decisions. Meanwhile the politicians either turn a blind eye or write laws that actually strengthen the corruption while smothering anyone who might compete against their patrons.

This is caprice. This is lawlessness. This is a bastardization of justice. This is a government of men, not laws.

We told them we wanted no more kings and they told us we needed a system or else there would be anarchy. We gave them a system and they made the system king.

We should have gone with the anarchy.
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Ray Rice, the NFL, the DA and anarchy (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 OP
DA is not acting improperly Cicada Sep 2014 #1
Bullshit 951-Riverside Sep 2014 #2
You present no evidence for your guarantee Cicada Sep 2014 #4
I'll second the BS on your assertion... joeybee12 Sep 2014 #3
I said IF it is true Cicada Sep 2014 #5
kick Liberal_in_LA Sep 2014 #6

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
1. DA is not acting improperly
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 01:19 PM
Sep 2014

I read that the policy has been to divert to treatment those without a prior record who commit assault. If that is true then Ray Rice should be diverted to treatment. Justice should be equal and it would not be equal justice to treat Ray Rice better or worse than the others in his situation.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
2. Bullshit
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 01:38 PM
Sep 2014

I guarantee if the average joe knocked his girlfriend UNCONSCIOUS in the middle of a mall on camera and dragged her limp body off like a piece of garbage, he would not be sentenced to "treatment", he would be in jail right now facing felony charges and his employer would fire him immediately.

This is what happens to anyone else (and rightfully so)...

An Albuquerque man is accused of beating his wife unconscious, and then kidnapping her and their two children.


Charges against Saenz include aggravated battery on a household member, two counts of kidnapping, false imprisonment, tampering with evidence, intimidation of a witness and aggravated assault on a household member with intent to commit a violent felony.

He is being held on a more than $10 million cash-only bond, according to jail records.



http://www.abqjournal.com/444237/news/man-accused-of-beating-wife-kidnapping-family.html

How would this story be written if Ray Rice did this?

Would they call it a beating? No
Would they call it kidnapping? No
Would they call it aggravated assault? No

Justice for all?

I don't think so.

And this is why people like me are pissed off.

I'm sick and tired of cops, "celebrities" and the very wealthy getting away with this shit. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
4. You present no evidence for your guarantee
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 07:06 PM
Sep 2014

If it is true that in this jurisdiction first offenders, even those who punch a woman unconscious, are diverted to treatment then I assume you agree that treating Ray Rice differently would not be equal justice. And you have not presented evidence for your guarantee actually happening in this jurisdiction. My hunch is that others who have knocked women out may very well out have been diverted in this jurisdiction, tho I could be wrong. This does not mean that I agree with such a policy.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
3. I'll second the BS on your assertion...
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 01:46 PM
Sep 2014

You're just parroting what the DA's office is saying...that's their official line...show me the records that confirms this? It's all part of their cover-up.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
5. I said IF it is true
Wed Sep 10, 2014, 07:12 PM
Sep 2014

It should be easy for the press to find examples otherwise. Every day that passes without a report contradicting the DA supports that the DA is telling the truth. And I can't think of any motive a DA would have to treat Ray Rice better than others. Politically it hurts them to divert as your reaction clearly demonstrates.

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