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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:59 PM Sep 2014

Bombing Syria: The next step in the PNAC playbook, remember?


Refresher Course in PNAC: This was planned a long time ago.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025518146

Only two countries remain on the PNAC agenda: Syria and Iran ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023540654



Neocons and neolibs sure have a lot in common. So much in common that they almost seem like the very same people:


When the DLC connections to the Koch Bros. became well known, they just rebranded the infiltration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4165556

When you hear "Third Way", think INVESTMENT BANKERS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024127432

GOP Donors and K Street Fuel Third Way’s Advice for the Democratic Party
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101680116

The Rightwing Koch Brothers fund the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

Same companies behind the GOP are behind the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1481121










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Bombing Syria: The next step in the PNAC playbook, remember? (Original Post) woo me with science Sep 2014 OP
Conspiracy theory! Off to Creative Speculation! NO WAY!1! No way ALL THOSE PEOPLE ChisolmTrailDem Sep 2014 #1
Plus, it's not "respectful" to criticize woo me with science Sep 2014 #17
Note that PNAC has not disappeared, merely changed its name. KamaAina Sep 2014 #2
Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2014 #6
Thank you Woo. k&r. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #3
But he's dropping those bombs with such careful deliberation! Maven Sep 2014 #4
Smoothed pensions woo me with science Sep 2014 #5
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #7
I don't think we have any interest, at this point, in bringing down Assad. Laelth Sep 2014 #8
Zero evidence that "our being better off...from a human rights perspective" woo me with science Sep 2014 #15
INDEED and K&R for Educating the Newbies to DU! KoKo Sep 2014 #9
Fool me once - shame on you malaise Sep 2014 #10
K & R CrawlingChaos Sep 2014 #11
Oh, how well i do remember! nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #12
DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #13
I most certainly do remember. scarletwoman Sep 2014 #14
When we start bombing Syria... Oilwellian Sep 2014 #16
+1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #18
kick woo me with science Sep 2014 #19
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
1. Conspiracy theory! Off to Creative Speculation! NO WAY!1! No way ALL THOSE PEOPLE
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:02 PM
Sep 2014

could be in on such a plot!!! That's like saying 9/11 was in inside job!!!11!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. Plus, it's not "respectful" to criticize
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:54 PM
Sep 2014

a good, patriotic slaughter for profit.

Good god, the propaganda is pathetic.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. Note that PNAC has not disappeared, merely changed its name.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:07 PM
Sep 2014

To the "Foreign Policy Initiative".

http://www.foreignpolicyi.org

There they are: Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, and so on.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. Thank you.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:18 PM
Sep 2014

So it's not just the DLC that rebranded into the Third Way.

I guess rebranding is a very useful tool for predators when the stench of corruption starts to follow them around.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
4. But he's dropping those bombs with such careful deliberation!
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:28 PM
Sep 2014

Also, our economy's doing better than you thought. Dintcha know?

K/R

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
8. I don't think we have any interest, at this point, in bringing down Assad.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 06:05 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:10 PM - Edit history (1)

In fact, from a human rights perspective, we'll be better off if Assad stays in power.

I acknowledge that PNAC wanted to take out Syria at one time, and I have no love for PNAC, but I think our national priorities have never aligned well with PNAC's agenda, and, at present, we'll be better off if Assad stays in power.

-Laelth

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. Zero evidence that "our being better off...from a human rights perspective"
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:30 PM
Sep 2014

is the focus, goal, or even a passing thought of the MIC.

On the contrary, all of recent history suggests that the focus of the MIC is the by-now familiar cycle of destabilization -> crisis -> bombs -> profit.

Rinse in blood and repeat.

It is time to stop imagining what we wish the MIC would do and instead look at the actual track record and the financial ties.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025519258

We have a long history by which to evaluate the behavior of the MIC. This is part of a well-established pattern of crisis, intervention, destabilization, and crisis. It is a cycle, and it is linked to the military INDUSTRY which profits from it all. We have to stop reacting to the crises that the MIC's own behavior creates. ISIS is not the first former "ally" we have ended up bombing.

I'm going to link again to this post by JackRiddler that I think should have hundreds of recommendations:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025355401

Add in the one by IchingCarpenter for good measure: We are at this point bombing our own guns:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025359142

The MIC's own behavior ensures the continuation of this cycle of violence. As JackRiddler's post points out, there are things they could do to show good faith in actually trying to end the violence rather than perpetuating this cycle, but their behavior, and the behavior of US politicians, does exactly the opposite.

It's a racket. It's shock doctrine. We're always reacting to a crisis we helped create, and we ignore the ones behind the scenes getting filthy rich from it all. Meanwhile, our country is hollowed out from all our money being poured into war.

And more mothers will weep over graves, more nations will be devastated for profit, and the warmongers laugh all the way to a new private island.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5520628

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
14. I most certainly do remember.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:06 PM
Sep 2014

Thank you for posting this and giving newer DUers a chance to catch up on what us old-timers know.

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