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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:14 PM Sep 2014

Utah teacher accidentally shoots herself in leg at elementary school.


Utah elementary school teacher accidentally shot herself in the leg on Thursday, but no students were on school grounds at the time and no one else was injured, officials said..

The teacher, who was not identified, suffered a leg wound after the weapon accidentally discharged in the restroom of Westbrook Elementary School in Taylorsville, Utah, around 8:45 a.m., according to Ben Horsley, communications director for the Granite School District.

No one else was injured, and the teacher remains in "good condition" at Intermountain Medical Center in Murray, Utah, Horsley said.

The teacher had a license to carry a concealed weapon in Utah, and Horsley said the teacher was not required to tell anyone she was armed.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-utah-school-shooting-20140911-story.html

National news story on gun idiocy gone bad.
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Utah teacher accidentally shoots herself in leg at elementary school. (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 OP
Dumb ass. n/t tazkcmo Sep 2014 #1
There was another thread on this but it dropped, because it was a woman snooper2 Sep 2014 #2
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #8
So a woman never wants a gun until she is weak enough to get swayed by a man snooper2 Sep 2014 #20
AND Idaho Arms Teachers; Teacher Shoots Himself In Foot On First Week Of Classes elleng Sep 2014 #3
Yes, if this doesn't make parents angry enough to demand a change, BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #19
I guess she was armed against the next Adam Lanza treestar Sep 2014 #4
So, at this point, are there more accidental shootings than... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #5
Well that is a good question, but I think it is self leveling. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #7
Not sure about shootings, but there are a hell of a lot of successful defensive use of guns. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #11
I got tired of clicking "next" after... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #12
No it is a case for re-outlawing concealed carry except for those who actually Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #14
I don't have a problem with teachers carrying, but they need to be very well trained. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #16
Interesting view... sarisataka Sep 2014 #22
who the flying fuck was this teacher protecting herself from? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #23
I said nothing about sarisataka Sep 2014 #24
Again - did this teacher have an actual threat against her? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #25
Must have had trouble getting her pants down get the red out Sep 2014 #6
teachers carrying guns on school property...what could possibly go wrong? Sheepshank Sep 2014 #9
Never can tell when those elementary kids will get out of control. lpbk2713 Sep 2014 #10
Holy Shit! postulater Sep 2014 #13
Good ... GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #15
Cool let's arm all the teachers Egnever Sep 2014 #17
This incident should be noted in the Oregon gubernatorial race now... cascadiance Sep 2014 #18
This! Catherine Vincent Sep 2014 #21
Not too many things would have... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #26
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. There was another thread on this but it dropped, because it was a woman
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:20 PM
Sep 2014

We started thinking she might need the gun because of small boob syndrome but couldn't come to a conclusion yet-


Response to snooper2 (Reply #2)

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
20. So a woman never wants a gun until she is weak enough to get swayed by a man
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:50 AM
Sep 2014

really, you wrote that LOL


BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
19. Yes, if this doesn't make parents angry enough to demand a change,
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:16 PM
Sep 2014

then next time it will be a student. Two teachers accidentally discharge their weapons in one week? How insane is that? Now a fight can turn deadly, an enraged teenager just has to tackle his or her out of shape teacher and now has a gun. Think it won't happen? I KNOW it will.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. So, at this point, are there more accidental shootings than...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:28 PM
Sep 2014

legitimate shootings of bad guys?

Do we need more bad guys to level out the stats?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Well that is a good question, but I think it is self leveling.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:39 PM
Sep 2014

Proliferation of guns results in proliferation of bad guys.

"An armed society is pretty much like Somalia. People act on their impulses and when they are armed the consequences are obvious."
- Robert Heinlein.

not.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. Not sure about shootings, but there are a hell of a lot of successful defensive use of guns.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:59 PM
Sep 2014

Too busy at the moment to find the links to government stats, but do have this link handy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/dgu

Comparing accidental shootings to legitimate shootings of bad guys doesn't seem logical.

This story is yet another case for comprehensive safety training for carriers on campuses, especially.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. I got tired of clicking "next" after...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:21 PM
Sep 2014

250 or so incidents, so don't know the total there.

Anyway, most of them seemed like proper defensive actions, but an awful lot of them either had nothing to do with "defense" and with many of them the guns might have precipitated the events.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. No it is a case for re-outlawing concealed carry except for those who actually
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:35 PM
Sep 2014

have a good reason for carrying, like for example people transporting bags of money.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. I don't have a problem with teachers carrying, but they need to be very well trained.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:41 PM
Sep 2014

The school needs to adjust their policy to require that no rounds can be chambered or the magazine must be kept separate or, etc., etc.

Because if safe handling and carrying procedures were being followed, this discharge could not have happened.

They should have to inform school administrators who, in turn, should be sure they're trained regularly and also get some regular practice.

It's Utah, I imagine they'll work it out:

The lack of disclosure about which teachers are carrying guns is a problem, Walkingshaw said. "I feel like I should have a right to know whether my child's teacher is carrying a gun," she said.

Gun-rights advocates say teachers can act faster than law enforcement in the first few minutes of any attack at a school.

The Utah Shooting Sports Council, the state's biggest gun lobby, has offered free basic gun training classes to teachers.

"We trust our kids with teachers every day," Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, told The Associated Press in March 2013. "Why do we think they'll be any danger?"

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/teacher-at-westbrook-elementary-school-1.9290272


sarisataka

(18,197 posts)
22. Interesting view...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:15 AM
Sep 2014

Reasons for carrying a gun:

Transporting bags of money = good reason
Protecting one's self= not a good reason

BTW I do not believe armed teachers is a good solution

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
23. who the flying fuck was this teacher protecting herself from?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:46 PM
Sep 2014

Note I said nothing about open carry. She would not have been allowed in school had she done that.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
25. Again - did this teacher have an actual threat against her?
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:55 PM
Sep 2014

Paranoia is not sufficient cause for concealed carry. You do know that many states used to strictly regulate concealed carry - you needed a permit and you needed to show cause for why a permit was needed. And society did not collapse from bad guys. Nor did teachers accidentally execute toilets. Seems to me that was a much better system.

get the red out

(13,458 posts)
6. Must have had trouble getting her pants down
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:36 PM
Sep 2014

I never considered the difficulties of weaponized toileting until now.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
9. teachers carrying guns on school property...what could possibly go wrong?
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:56 PM
Sep 2014

....and to think there are those that want teachers carrying guns, to be mandatory.

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
10. Never can tell when those elementary kids will get out of control.
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:57 PM
Sep 2014



So she had to carry for her own protection.





 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
17. Cool let's arm all the teachers
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:47 PM
Sep 2014

Maybe one of them will actually shoot a student. Won't that accident be awesome?


Fucking gun nuts.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
18. This incident should be noted in the Oregon gubernatorial race now...
Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:57 PM
Sep 2014

Dennis Richardson, the Republican candidate running against Kitzhaber was early on a heavy advocate of arming teachers after the Clackamas mall shooting here and the Sandy Hook shootings... Voters here in Oregon should be made aware of how incidents like this document that giving teachers weapons would likely make things worse in terms of hazards to students than better, and that he should NOT be the governor...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/oregon-state-rep-dennis-richardson-teacher-guns-stopped-connecticut-shooting_n_2317444.html

Catherine Vincent

(34,485 posts)
21. This!
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:00 AM
Sep 2014

This is why I don't agree with teachers bringing guns to school. Thankfully there were no kids in the school that day but we all know accidents happen. I really don't agree with the while teachers with guns and open carry law that right wingers are trying to put forth everywhere.

A while back I remember reading a story where this guy had his concealed weapon on him in a restaurant. As he was seated in his booth, somehow his gun accidently discharged and hit this lady in the hip. It didn't kill her but she had months of therapy and thousands of dollars in medical bills. All because this schmuck needed his gun to eat.

I am afraid one day we will be reading where some kid (or anyone for that matter) will accidently get shot while eating his chicken nuggets with his family.

3catwoman3

(23,812 posts)
26. Not too many things would have...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:11 PM
Sep 2014

...made me consider home-schooling our sons, who are now 21 and 24. The possibility that a teacher could be armed but not required to reveal that to the parents would have been sufficient reason.

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