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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:24 AM Sep 2014

Is It Peacetime or Wartime in America?

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/obamas-losing-battle-with-perpetual-war/380060/

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Barack Obama delivered a bewildering speech on Wednesday. The pledge to "destroy" the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria; the deployment of U.S. troops to do just that; the flag-flanked, sober-sounding president addressing the American people behind a podium in prime-time—all appeared to amount to a declaration of war.

But Obama never used the word "war" to describe his decision to launch airstrikes against ISIS and provide military assistance to regional forces fighting the extremist group. When he employed the w-word, it was to clarify what this is not. It's not "another ground war in Iraq." It's not Afghanistan. It's a "counterterrorism campaign" to "take out ISIL wherever they exist." Obama didn't say how long the campaign would take, or how we'll know when its mission is accomplished.

The effect was to thoroughly blur the boundary between peacetime and wartime. And maybe that was on purpose. After all, it was less than a year and a half ago that Obama promised, in an address at National Defense University, to remove America from the "perpetual war footing" it had assumed since the September 11 attacks. On Wednesday night, he seemingly tried to honor that pledge while simultaneously preparing the country for military operations against ISIS. Did the president announce a war? A military action? Targeted strikes? Are there meaningful differences between these terms? It's not all that clear.

In the 13 years since 9/11, Americans have grown accustomed to the ambiguity of U.S. efforts to deter, disrupt, and preempt the threats posed by a shape-shifting cast of terrorist groups. The ebbs and flows of America's inexorable counterterrorism campaigns have produced a tangled web of terminology. For evidence, take a look at the many ways the New York Times homepage referred to Obama's intervention on Thursday:

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Is It Peacetime or Wartime in America? (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2014 OP
For taxes, it's not war. For the budget for the military, it's war. Shrike47 Sep 2014 #1
Nailed it. ctsnowman Sep 2014 #6
It's 'Business As Usual...' Earth_First Sep 2014 #2
Always war. Feral Child Sep 2014 #3
Perpetual war for perpetual profit. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2014 #4
The World we live in. Feral Child Sep 2014 #5
Fuck this shit! L0oniX Sep 2014 #7
it is not war because Obama said it is not war noiretextatique Sep 2014 #8
I was told when bush/cheney were in the Whitehouse by... Bonhomme Richard Sep 2014 #9
It does seem to be the way of the times dumbcat Sep 2014 #11
War is Peace Man from Pickens Sep 2014 #10
Money for war, none for the poor. neverforget Sep 2014 #12
Does anybody really know what time it is? Blue Owl Sep 2014 #13
What do you want it to be? rock Sep 2014 #14
War is Money Octafish Sep 2014 #15

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
1. For taxes, it's not war. For the budget for the military, it's war.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:32 AM
Sep 2014

We'll pay for it by cutting something for poor people.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
2. It's 'Business As Usual...'
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:34 AM
Sep 2014

You've gotta keep the machine fed or else rich folk might starve to death...

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
5. The World we live in.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:02 AM
Sep 2014

Ruled by rich old fucks with more cash than they can possibly spend, staying alive so they can acquire more.

And more.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
8. it is not war because Obama said it is not war
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:57 AM
Sep 2014

and furthermore, it is perfectly fine because the president is a D.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,000 posts)
9. I was told when bush/cheney were in the Whitehouse by...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:02 AM
Sep 2014

a DOD employee in DC that these guys wanted perpetual war and it wouldn't matter who came in after them. They had so many minions in government jobs that this would go on and on.
Prophetic.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
11. It does seem to be the way of the times
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:08 AM
Sep 2014

doesn't it? When was the last time there were several years in a row with no, wars, "police actions" or "interventions"?

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