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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:31 PM Sep 2014

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers

Can people quit griping about this information coming only from Russia Times now?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-shows-nazi-symbols-helmets-ukraine-soldiers-n198961

Germans were confronted with images of their country’s dark past on Monday night, when German public broadcaster ZDF showed video of Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets in its evening newscast. In a report on the fragile cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, Moscow correspondent Bernhard Lichte used pictures of a soldier wearing a combat helmet with the "SS runes" of Hitler’s infamous black-uniformed elite corps. A second soldier was seen with a swastika on his gear. “Volunteer battalions from nearly every political spectrum are reinforcing the government side,” the ZDF correspondent said in his report.

The video was shot last week in Ukraine by a camera team from Norwegian broadcaster TV2. “We were filming a report about Ukraine’s AZOV battalion in the eastern city of Urzuf, when we came across these soldiers,” Oysten Bogen, a correspondent for the private television station, told NBC News. Minutes before the images were taped, Bogen said he had asked a spokesperson whether the battalion had fascist tendencies. “The reply was: absolutely not, we are just Ukrainian nationalists,” Bogen said.

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German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers (Original Post) eridani Sep 2014 OP
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Sep 2014 #1
Yep... MattSh Sep 2014 #14
Disgusting Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #2
I think there's a bit of a difference between "not perfect' and "nazis" Scootaloo Sep 2014 #3
Yes, we can all agree that not being perfect is not the main criticism of the Nazi symbol wearers. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #4
The elected one? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #6
That's putting it very, very mildly considering all the other reports of these thugs working for the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #10
And some "Ukranians" blew a passenger plane out of the sky. Guess which ones. Go on, guess. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #5
We all know they were shooting at Putin's plane Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #7
And DU. Don't forget DU. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #9
No we don't 'all know that'. Investigators have clearly stated that they do NOT know who is sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #11
Well, at least "50 million" of you "don't know", but that's to be expected. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #17
I'm going to guess it was a Red Sector operation Cayenne Sep 2014 #13
Conditions Set for IMF Loan for Ukraine Facilitate Cultivation of GMO Crops Trillo Sep 2014 #8
That is what the coup was all about. Enslaving Ukraine to the IMF/World Bank and their Corporate sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #12
+1 newfie11 Sep 2014 #16
As we predicted it would. Where are all those who claimed this was not the case now? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #18
Propaganda folks newfie11 Sep 2014 #15
Once again, we Jews are touched by this sudden concern about antisemitism in eastern europe. stevenleser Sep 2014 #19
+1 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #20
Folks were concerned before as they are more so now, the pro-Western media does not like to talk Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #21
No, and no. No one talked about it, and more are armed in Russia. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #23
Right. And Ukrainian fascists are using the swstika for good luck eridani Oct 2014 #24
Edited Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #25

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
14. Yep...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:31 AM
Sep 2014

Many of us knew that months ago, but because the news came from bloggers or eyewitnesses (unreliable sources, because it's not mainstream media, or worse, from Ukrainian Russians or Russia Russians), they were just rumors or people bad-mouthing the glorious Ukrainian revolution.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
2. Disgusting
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 10:41 PM
Sep 2014

But I do not think that anyone has said that some of the volunteer Battalions are all all perfect. It is more accurate that these are outliers and should be condemned. There are some her that say all Ukrainians are Nazis and that is absurd.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Yes, we can all agree that not being perfect is not the main criticism of the Nazi symbol wearers.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:13 PM
Sep 2014

The Kiev regime defenders are going to extremes these days.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
6. The elected one?
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:28 PM
Sep 2014

Those self appointed leaders were surely democratically elected right? And the Right Sector did very poorly in those elections so they are indeed a small minority. Party of Regions gave up on the parliamentary elections because their base would not be allowed to vote by the separatists.

KIEV, September 14. /ITAR-TASS/. The Party of Regions, the ruling party under the ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, does not intend to take part in upcoming early parliamentary elections in Ukraine, Secretary of the Party’s Presidium and MP Boris Kolesnikov said on Sunday.
Naryshkin does not rule it out that Duma members will travel to monitor elections to Rada

“Our party will not take part in the upcoming elections because a fourth of the country or almost 7 million electors will not be able to vote,” Kolesnikov said.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko dissolved the Verkhovna Rada (the Ukrainian parliament) on August 25 in a move to clean the parliament from the allies of his predecessor Yanukovych and scheduled snap parliamentary elections for October 26

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/749497

Surprise democratic elections, for the president and now the parliament. The east not so much.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. That's putting it very, very mildly considering all the other reports of these thugs working for the
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:10 AM
Sep 2014

Kiev Government.

What is so stunning is that the reports have been consistent and extremely disturbing and it's astounding that anyone here on this forum would choose to attack the messengers and refuse to even the issue for what appear to be political reasons.

There have been atrocities committed in Ukraine against innocent people. And people willing to dismiss them or try to minimize them.

Two of our own Senators posed with the leader of the Nazi Party, willing apparently to do ANYTHING to enslave that country to the IMF.

We often wonder why the German people were so willing to overlook the early signs that the government they supported might not be what it pretended to be. Over the past few years that question which I know I and many others have wondered about all of our lives, has been answered.

Crimes were committed in Eastern Ukraine. It is the DUTY of every person there to start investigating rather than ignoring and denying the atrocities committed by these thugs. Otherwise they have zero legitimacy and should be shunned by any civilized nation and THIS ONE should stop encouraging and supporting them in our name.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. No we don't 'all know that'. Investigators have clearly stated that they do NOT know who is
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:12 AM
Sep 2014

responsible for that crime. But the Corporate Media says it is so, so it MUST BE!

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
8. Conditions Set for IMF Loan for Ukraine Facilitate Cultivation of GMO Crops
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:48 PM
Sep 2014
American author and geopolitical analyst William Engdahl clarifies the implications on Ukraine’s agriculture of legislation ushered in with new IMF loans to Ukraine. Such legislation makes it possible to cultivate GMO crops in Ukraine.
Download mp3

Like any lender, the IMF makes conditions when it loans money. In most countries, the IMF insists on at least the opening up of markets to foreign companies. With a bankrupt economy, Ukraine will only welcome foreign investment in its agriculture. Under article 404 of the Associative Agreement that Ukraine has signed with the EU, the country agrees to cooperate ‘to extend the use of biotechnologies’, which is the Monsanto euphemism for GMOs crops. Cultivation of GMO crops was banned in Ukraine right up until the present leaders took power in Kiev. American GMO companies can now start large-scale cultivation of GMO modified crops, and establish a back door into the EU, where growing such crops is banned in most countries. For reasons best known to the corporations involved, hardly a word about this has been printed in world’s mainstream press.

Why is Ukrainian agriculture of interest to other countries?


It seemed metaphorically related to the OP, but this isn't just "a few bad volunteer soldiers" with painted symbols on their helmets.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. That is what the coup was all about. Enslaving Ukraine to the IMF/World Bank and their Corporate
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:14 AM
Sep 2014

Predators. Only here in the US thanks to the Corporate Media does anything in their right mind think otherwise.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. As we predicted it would. Where are all those who claimed this was not the case now?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:04 PM
Sep 2014

That is why Yanukovich was driven from office. After he decided not to put the country into debt to the IMF. Until then, he was fine with the Western powers, no one cared much about the corruption they used later to oust him.

It was all about the IMF/World Bank and of course Ukraine's strategic position geopolitically.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
15. Propaganda folks
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:20 AM
Sep 2014

Do u not think this could be staged.
It wouldn't be the first time. Why was that Nuland woman setting up a government for Ukraine?
I never understood why America was deciding who should be in charge in Ukraine.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
19. Once again, we Jews are touched by this sudden concern about antisemitism in eastern europe.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 12:06 PM
Sep 2014

It has been there for a long time and is worse in Russia.

We are deeply suspicious that people who have never before seemed concerned about the rampant antisemitism in eastern europe only seem concerned now in a way that dovetails with their politics.

This reminds me of how pinkwashing is used regarding LGBT rights and various countries.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
21. Folks were concerned before as they are more so now, the pro-Western media does not like to talk
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 01:53 PM
Sep 2014

about it since their eggs are all in the Kiev regimes basket.

Comparing degrees of anti-Jewish sentiment in Kiev and Moscow is entirely unhelpful. Both were wrong before, and wrong now.

Just that the ones with Kiev are armed and ready, willing and able to kill and pillage, proudly sporting the symbols of their open hatred.

Response to eridani (Original post)

eridani

(51,907 posts)
24. Right. And Ukrainian fascists are using the swstika for good luck
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 03:59 AM
Oct 2014

To modern people, the swastika means only one thing, regardless of what it meant to ancient speakers of Sanskrit.

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