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Grimes and Guns-Do we REALLY need this (Original Post) packman Sep 2014 OP
Democrats acting like Republicans is why the center has moved to the right. Dawgs Sep 2014 #1
She is a Democrat, you must be joking. I just contributed to her campaign. Link: NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #2
I agree get the red out Sep 2014 #4
Bingo! BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #30
I own 9 long guns Jim Beard Sep 2014 #20
Yes. Iggo Sep 2014 #3
Many Democrats are gun owners. NutmegYankee Sep 2014 #5
4/10 firearm owners vote for Democrats. Dawson Leery Sep 2014 #6
So you want to not support yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #9
I support the commercial. Dawson Leery Sep 2014 #13
That IS what a Democrat looks like. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #7
Political necessity or a right-winger? kentuck Sep 2014 #8
Yes, I think this is a good plan jmowreader Sep 2014 #10
Ugh. Guns. EPA. Coal. Brown nosing the right. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #11
Are you talking about McConnell or Grimes? kentuck Sep 2014 #12
Doesn't at the end of the ad say she "disagrees with Obama on guns, coal, and the EPA? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #15
Neither should we assume that she would not vote in the interests of her constituents... kentuck Sep 2014 #18
That's all well and good. But, let her speak about her support of the EPA, restrictions, gun laws. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #19
I think we have to look at the big picture. kentuck Sep 2014 #21
It's Kentucky, not MA, or CA, or NY, IronGate Sep 2014 #22
It's Kentucky, not Massachusetts. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #14
"It's Kentucky, not Massachusetts." QFT friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #16
Exactly. eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2014 #31
Yes. If we want to win in Kentucky. Tatiana Sep 2014 #17
I would agree.. kentuck Sep 2014 #23
In Kentucky, we need it. And she's not anti-Obama....he's sent his best to help her. nt msanthrope Sep 2014 #24
I don't see a problem with it. NaturalHigh Sep 2014 #25
Yes.we.need.it. elleng Sep 2014 #26
Seems perfect for Kentucky, anyway. It wouldn't fly here, and I disagree w/her on some things. arcane1 Sep 2014 #27
Too many democrats don't seem to understand that state politics justiceischeap Sep 2014 #28
Representing the constituency. Feral Child Sep 2014 #29
Nothing wrong with it, much like nothing wrong with anti gun anti coal pro Obama warren or other Township75 Sep 2014 #32
I like Grimes. zappaman Sep 2014 #33
And on the one issue she could score points with, Kelvin Mace Sep 2014 #34
Yes, that's how it's done BeyondGeography Sep 2014 #35
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
1. Democrats acting like Republicans is why the center has moved to the right.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:05 PM
Sep 2014

Would love to see McConnell lose but she really hasn't been very impressive.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. She is a Democrat, you must be joking. I just contributed to her campaign. Link:
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:05 PM
Sep 2014

We need more Dems in Congress and need to put aside our quest for perfection, sometimes.

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/alg_website?refcode=general

I like the guns part, not fond of the coal part but I know that in Kentucky you dare not speak to ending coal, even when you have a plan to retrain the workforce toward sustainable resources.

One simply can't do that while running.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
30. Bingo!
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:11 PM
Sep 2014

Because at the end of the day, a Democratic majority in the Senate is all that matters.

Kentuckians share a great many liberal wants and needs with Liberals across the nation, just as other working Americans who vote Republican. The problem is, RW propaganda outlets posing as our fourth estate and hateful baptist conservative ministers, have bamboozled the majority of Kentuckians, making them think they don't.

Lundergan-Grimes is doing her damnedest to unseat a corporate Republican whose only interest is enriching himself at the expense of working Kentuckians since he hasn't done diddly for them in decades! Now he even wants to take Kynect away from the poor and low income households there. Lundergan-Grimes won't allow that if she becomes the junior senator of Kentucky and Democrats hold the majority in the Senate.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
20. I own 9 long guns
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:21 PM
Sep 2014

I live in a rural area, I have always voted Democratic and will always vote Democratic. I see no reason why we can not have reasonable restrictions to gun ownership.

NutmegYankee

(16,178 posts)
5. Many Democrats are gun owners.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:09 PM
Sep 2014

The extreme anti-gun portion of the party is a minority and only viable in cities. I dislike her running against the President, BUT, he isn't up for election. If it helps us keep the Senate, then I'm good with it.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
6. 4/10 firearm owners vote for Democrats.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 02:23 PM
Sep 2014

That number is becoming less every day due to demographic shifts. Still, not all gun owners are Rethugs.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. So you want to not support
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:32 PM
Sep 2014

4/10 Democratic voters who may like that commercial? I think it is good she wants to hold onto the 4/10. Lose them and good luck winning an election.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
13. I support the commercial.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:04 PM
Sep 2014

I do not see what is wrong with it. At the same time I am pointing out a fact that the gun vote swings to the right and will become more so over the next two decades.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
8. Political necessity or a right-winger?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:25 PM
Sep 2014

The only reason Mitch McConnell is ahead in most of the polls is because of coal and the NRA. In my humble opinion, Alison is only doing what her opponent is doing in an effort to win the election. After all, she has had not only Bill Clinton come to Kentucky to campaign with her but, also, Elizabeth Warren. The issues that she is running on, raising the minimum wage, equal pay for women, preserving Social Security and Medicare, stopping corporations from shipping jobs overseas, are all bedrock Democratic issues. This ad is only for counter purposes to the hypocrisy that Mitch McConnell is trying to pull on the voters of Kentucky.

Do we want a "perfect" loser or do we want to get rid of Mitch McConnell?

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
10. Yes, I think this is a good plan
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:44 PM
Sep 2014

Remember the Karl Rove Playbook: Turn the opponent's strength into a weakness. We can, and should, do that too.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
12. Are you talking about McConnell or Grimes?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:59 PM
Sep 2014

McConnell is the hypocrite. She is exposing him as a fraud. These are not the issues she is running on.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
15. Doesn't at the end of the ad say she "disagrees with Obama on guns, coal, and the EPA?
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:10 PM
Sep 2014

Is it safe to assume that she wants stricter gun control laws, more taxes and regulation on coal, and more EPA regulations than Obama? If so, I certainly misunderstood her ad when she said, "I'm not Obama".

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
18. Neither should we assume that she would not vote in the interests of her constituents...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:16 PM
Sep 2014

if she were in the US Senate. Mitch McConnell, in almost every ad, is trying to tie her to Barack Obama. Whether we like it or not, she has to put distance between herself and the President if she wants to challenge McConnell for the US Senate. These are not the primary issues that she is running on. She is not so easily defined.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
19. That's all well and good. But, let her speak about her support of the EPA, restrictions, gun laws.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:18 PM
Sep 2014

She, apparently, is defining what McConnell positions are, what are hers on the same issues. Progressive or conservative?

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
21. I think we have to look at the big picture.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:23 PM
Sep 2014

If she votes for the minimum wage, for women issues, for preserving Social Security and Medicare, for stopping jobs from being sent overseas, then I guess we will have to weigh whether or not "skeet" shooting makes her as bad as Mitch McConnell?

Personally, if her vote is the deciding vote on any of the issues above, I think she would do the right thing and vote in the best interest of the nation. Just my opinion.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
22. It's Kentucky, not MA, or CA, or NY,
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sep 2014

it's Kentucky where coal, guns, religion is huge.
I'm glad she's exposing McTurtle for the fraud he is, this is a good strategy for her.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
17. Yes. If we want to win in Kentucky.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:15 PM
Sep 2014

They've created a truly outstanding ad that exposes her opponent for the fraud that he really is.

I really like the fact that she's taking the fight to him. She's not backing down or playing nice. She's hitting him where it hurts.

From what I understand, this is a 6-figure ad buy. I think it is $$$ well-spent and may push some who were on the fence into her corner.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
23. I would agree..
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:25 PM
Sep 2014

that this ad is for those that might be on the fence.

Anything Mitch can do, Alison can do better!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. Seems perfect for Kentucky, anyway. It wouldn't fly here, and I disagree w/her on some things.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 04:52 PM
Sep 2014

But it does look like a way to kick out a reviled incumbent

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
28. Too many democrats don't seem to understand that state politics
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:01 PM
Sep 2014

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is local politics. Unless you live in Kentucky, you don't get a say on how she runs her race. I'd think her people know better than any of us what she needs to do to win.

In these United States, there are states that will ONLY elect a Blue Dog Dem. I suspect Kentucky is one of those states.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
32. Nothing wrong with it, much like nothing wrong with anti gun anti coal pro Obama warren or other
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:17 PM
Sep 2014

Senator. People are different across the country and that is what makes up thhe Democratic Party. So it is no surprise we see that reflected in our candidates. This is part of a democratic system.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
34. And on the one issue she could score points with,
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:29 PM
Sep 2014

healthcare, crickets.

Also, way to alienate the black vote. In a close election, who needs minority voters.

BeyondGeography

(39,284 posts)
35. Yes, that's how it's done
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:30 PM
Sep 2014

When her numbers went down, many here screamed it's because she's not a true progressive. Which is what they always do. I wonder what would happen to her numbers if she took their advice...

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