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Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:30 AM Sep 2014

Most of the people in Palestine TX think Adrian Peterson is justified in beating his kid.

Tyler TV station KLTV reported this:




As someone raised on the switch, Carpenter says that's what he swore by.

"I paddle my girls if they did something really wrong, and I think they all turned out just fine," Carpenter said.

But it seems many parents believe that era is coming to an end.

"I think people are led to understand that it is really important for you to communicate with your children," Stephens said.

Child advocates say discipline becomes abuse when it causes bodily harm to the child. But more importantly, it can cause long-term mental damage.

http://www.kltv.com/story/26560952/different-generations-discuss-the-evolution-of-corporal-punishment


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Most of the people in Palestine TX think Adrian Peterson is justified in beating his kid. (Original Post) Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 OP
Totally not my subject since I have no kids, but there is a difference between spanking and beating. TexasTowelie Sep 2014 #1
+1000 nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #2
If a child hasn't 'reached the age to have the cognitive ability...' HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #11
If they're too young for other forms of punishment to work gollygee Sep 2014 #16
Spanking is never appropriate. Terra Alta Sep 2014 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Hulk Sep 2014 #3
Texas Hulk Sep 2014 #4
This is why I don't feel alive unless I go to the big city for culture. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #5
And In the '50s most people thought it was okay to seat African-Americans in the back of the bus. dballance Sep 2014 #6
I don't know what it takes to get people to respond to their better angels. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #7
I wish I had a clue as to how to allow people to see things in a different manner. dballance Sep 2014 #9
Texas spanking Cartoonist Sep 2014 #8
In Cut And Shoot, they think it's passe. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #10
Must be a real small town whistler162 Sep 2014 #12
18,000 people according to the city limit sign. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2014 #14
Nothing in your link correlates to your title. cali Sep 2014 #13
Actual title: 'Different generations discuss the evolution of corporal punishment' Baclava Sep 2014 #15
Most of the people in Palestine TX are dumb enough to vote for Louie Gohmert. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #17
When I was a kid I found it a little hard Lunacee_2013 Sep 2014 #18
If they beat up children, then yeah, they turned out bad. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #19

TexasTowelie

(111,292 posts)
1. Totally not my subject since I have no kids, but there is a difference between spanking and beating.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 01:51 AM
Sep 2014

While I think spanking is abusive, if a child has not reached the age to have the cognitive ability for other forms of punishment to work then it might be appropriate. The only area that should be spanked is the buttocks with an open hand. The child should never be beaten so hard to cause bleeding or leave scars. There is also an age when spanking is no longer appropriate and punishments like grounding or loss of privileges is more effective.

However, what Adrian Peterson did to his children went past the line and the word "beating" is the only way to describe it. There is a difference between discipline and abuse--Peterson crossed that line.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. If a child hasn't 'reached the age to have the cognitive ability...'
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 04:07 AM
Sep 2014

'... for other forms of punishment to work...'.

I don't understand.

It seems that you are saying that for punishment to be effective (as in learning?) a child must be able to understand the circumstance of the punishment. Yet, corporal punishment somehow circumvents this limitation in conceptual communication and a pre-cognitive ability child can somehow learn the cognitively out-of-reach lesson after one, or perhaps more, swats on the butt with an open hand.

I really don't understand how that works.


gollygee

(22,336 posts)
16. If they're too young for other forms of punishment to work
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:19 AM
Sep 2014

the problems are probably issues of supervision more than misbehavior.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
20. Spanking is never appropriate.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:40 AM
Sep 2014

No matter how young the child is. There are other, and better ways to discipline your child other than hitting them.

Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Original post)

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
5. This is why I don't feel alive unless I go to the big city for culture.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 02:42 AM
Sep 2014

I'm a city girl and will always be one. I can't live without music of my favorite kinds.



 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
6. And In the '50s most people thought it was okay to seat African-Americans in the back of the bus.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:07 AM
Sep 2014

Let's not forget certain opinions and attitudes far outlive any reasonableness.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
7. I don't know what it takes to get people to respond to their better angels.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:12 AM
Sep 2014

Rather than their mean instincts.

I wonder about people who are obsessed with calling other people bad names. It's the opposite of "right speech" as the Buddhists call it.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
9. I wish I had a clue as to how to allow people to see things in a different manner.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:22 AM
Sep 2014

Actually, I think education and getting out of the 10 square miles of where one was born is really helpful.

I'd be willing to bet that "most" of those people in Palestine, TX have never been out of TX and seen other places. I'd be willing to bet they've only seen the other people in Palestine, TX who are much like them and who have never challenged any of their beliefs.

Cartoonist

(7,298 posts)
8. Texas spanking
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 03:19 AM
Sep 2014

Another example of how times have changed can often be found in old movies, and you don't have to go that far back. James Bond committed rape in Thunderball. Even then I'm sure many people were shocked, but I never heard any outcry. One scene that bothered me when I saw it recently on TV was in the movie McLintock. John Wayne took Maureen O'Hara over his knees and gave her a resounding spanking in front of others who just stood by, smiling. I didn't stick around to the finish, but she probably fell in love with him in the end.

I am really getting incenced by people saying they were abused as a child and came out OK. Good for them, but what about those whose lives were irreparably harmed, like my brother? They can go F themselves.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
15. Actual title: 'Different generations discuss the evolution of corporal punishment'
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:36 AM
Sep 2014

Of course, attention whoring headlines are all the rage these days

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
18. When I was a kid I found it a little hard
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:27 AM
Sep 2014

to trust and love someone who hit me. Spanking, paddling, using a switch, or whatever just sounds like taking the easy way out and using violence to solve the problem. Of course spanking with an open hand is a little less harsh then hitting someone with a cane, but there's still a chance the kid is going to become resentful and sometimes angry somewhere down the line.

The only time I can see swatting at a kid is if they're reaching for something hot, like an oven, but only to keep them from getting seriously injured.

Disclaimer: I have no children of my own, but I do work and live in an in-home daycare center for newborns, babies and toddlers. I'm also a Texan, so not everyone here believes in the paddle.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
19. If they beat up children, then yeah, they turned out bad.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:30 AM
Sep 2014

What part of a continuing cycle of violence don't these idiots get?

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