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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 08:43 PM Oct 2014

Hillary Clinton TURNS THE TABLES On Republicans By Saying Joni Ernst DISQUALIFIED HERSELF


"..Hillary Clinton called out a giant hypocrisy, and with less than a week to go, Democrats are sending a loud message that Joni Ernst won’t be allowed to keep her positions to herself..."



Where's Chucky??...why isn't he saying that Joni should ALSO be disqualified for refusing to answer questions?..well Chucky?......





In Iowa today, Hillary Clinton claimed that Republican Senate candidate Joni Ernst has disqualified herself from office by refusing to answer questions.

CNN reported,

“I have concluded that Iowans take politics really seriously,” Clinton said. “You test your candidates, you actually force them to be the best they can be and they have to be willing to answer the tough questions.”

Democrat Bruce Braley “has been willing to do and his opponent has not,” she said.

“It truly seems like it should be in disqualifying in Iowa of all states to avoid answering questions,” Clinton added to a sustained round of applause.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/29/politics/hillary-clinton-joni-ernst/


Clinton’s remarks in Iowa struck on a latent hypocrisy. Republicans and Beltway media insiders like NBC’s Chuck Todd claimed that Kentucky Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes disqualified herself from office by refusing to say who she voted for in 2012. The same media and talking heads have had nothing to say about Republican Senate Joni Ernst canceling several meeting with newspaper editorial boards in Iowa. Grimes may not want to discuss who she voted for as a private citizen, but Ernst is refusing to tell the voters what she stands for and what she will do if she gets elected.

Republicans opened the door to the disqualification questions. Hillary Clinton walked right in and knocked them on their backsides. The Iowa Senate race is very close. Ernst’s refusal to tell the voters what she will do if she wins is a way for her to try to run out the clock and backdoor her way into the United States Senate.



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http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/29/hillary-clinton-turns-tables-republicans-joni-ernst-disqualified.html
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Hillary Clinton TURNS THE TABLES On Republicans By Saying Joni Ernst DISQUALIFIED HERSELF (Original Post) Segami Oct 2014 OP
That line didn't work out so well for Chuck Todd. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #1
Maybe not for MTP's toad, but it sure as heck is working out mighty fine for McChinless, isn't it? BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #2
Sure I've heard that idiom. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #6
+gadzillion. leftofcool Oct 2014 #7
their current strategy isnt working so well belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #3
There's a huge difference ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #4
Well, it seems to be the consensus here Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #5
Her making the comment was not to benefit her ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #8
+1 Segami Oct 2014 #9
I forgot to mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #10
especially with the women's vote rurallib Oct 2014 #11
You know the Vendetta they have against Hillary....no matter how many points she scores VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #26
Wha? Pointing out the hypocrisy? gratuitous Oct 2014 #13
Don't even TRY to tell me ... staggerleem Oct 2014 #22
That's why I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #24
Exactly. It's called.. "In your face, Chucky". Cha Oct 2014 #33
This is why..... Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #12
Really? obxhead Oct 2014 #14
see what I mean.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #27
Big Freakin Deal billhicks76 Oct 2014 #15
many buzzwords azureblue Oct 2014 #40
Hilary is a formidable politician. Ilsa Oct 2014 #16
Her husband was the master of not answering questions. hughee99 Oct 2014 #17
So please explain azureblue Oct 2014 #41
She didn't seem to have a problem with politicans not answering questions when her hughee99 Nov 2014 #42
. mopinko Oct 2014 #18
really. and people are grumbling about it? BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #19
dems always cry for a dem with a spine, but mopinko Oct 2014 #25
Its those same damn "self-loathing Democrats" that will hate seeing Hillary score! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #28
And the "Hillary-loathing Democrats" really piled on this one NBachers Oct 2014 #32
agree this is like going through the looking glass VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #38
Really, Blanche.. the purists go too far and end up Cha Oct 2014 #34
I can agree with Hillary on this Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #20
And if anyone says there are no Hilary Haters at DU, then I ask joeybee12 Oct 2014 #21
but but but....they don't hater her....and THEY are the REAL Democrats! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #29
" . . . let's overanalyze and find fault with everything." Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #31
Oh my! joeybee12 Oct 2014 #39
I don't support Hillary at this point in time, But, Cha Oct 2014 #35
K&R stonecutter357 Oct 2014 #23
Ernst's slogan: Vote for me first . . and then I'll tell you what I stand for. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #30
Wasn't that mittload's and ryan's strategy? And, it worked out so well for him. Cha Oct 2014 #36
Iowans like there gun totting women. sammy750 Oct 2014 #37
I am getting the distinct impression that the people complaining about Clinton in this thread MADem Nov 2014 #43

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. That line didn't work out so well for Chuck Todd.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 08:59 PM
Oct 2014

Does Hillary think it will work better for her?

Should people on the left really go around copying stupid things people on the right do?

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. Maybe not for MTP's toad, but it sure as heck is working out mighty fine for McChinless, isn't it?
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:14 PM
Oct 2014

As it was intended.

I mean, they've spent hundreds of thousands on ads using Toady's words in their political ads. American businessmen are anything but stupid, btw.

So, in summary, it's working out just the way it was intended, Erich, and only a political novice would believe it was a "stupid thing" so your answer is yes, it'll work out for Lundergan-Grimes. Never heard the idiom, what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. Sure I've heard that idiom.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:35 PM
Oct 2014

In almost every case, as a justification for somebody doing something stupid or wrong because somebody else did something stupid or wrong first. Guy cheats on his wife, wife uses that idiom, cheats on the husband, and so on.

I can't recall ever hearing anyone trot it out as a rationale for doing something positive.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
7. +gadzillion.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:42 PM
Oct 2014

I think all of this has been well played by Alison. Love that she called Chucky the "moderator" of MTP. All we have to do is get the Dems out to vote and Mcturtle is gone.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. There's a huge difference ...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:30 PM
Oct 2014

between a clear partisan operative on the campaign trail repeating the line and a supposedly non-partisan, non-politically alligned member of the unbiased, media initiating the line.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
5. Well, it seems to be the consensus here
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:33 PM
Oct 2014

that it will work better for Hillary than for Chuck.

I don't think voters like anyone telling them 'so and so has disqualified themselves'. I think they like to make that sort of decision by themselves.

Time will tell, though, and in a week's time we'll know whether it helped enough or not.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
8. Her making the comment was not to benefit her ...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:42 PM
Oct 2014

but, as the OP noted, to draw attention to the hypocrisy of the gop.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. I forgot to mention ...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 09:54 PM
Oct 2014

And to benefit the Democratic candidate in Iowa ... where HRC holds a "small measure of sway."

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
26. You know the Vendetta they have against Hillary....no matter how many points she scores
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:09 PM
Oct 2014

teeing off on their asses....they will never give her an ounce of credit! It pains them to see her have ANY success.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Wha? Pointing out the hypocrisy?
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:01 PM
Oct 2014

Thank you for explaining that in such elementary terms.

The reason Clinton said that bit about "disqualifying" Ernst was to point up how dumb Todd's comment about Grimes was. If there are voters who lend credence to Todd for his numbskull remark, shouldn't those same voters lend credence to Clinton using the exact same logic against Ernst?

One of the differences between Ernst and Grimes, however, is that Grimes declined to answer a pointless question about who she voted for, while Ernst has been dodging every question from the local media.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
22. Don't even TRY to tell me ...
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:06 PM
Oct 2014

... that you believe the American media is "unbiased"! Particularly not Upchuck Toad, and his bosses at Comcast.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
24. That's why I wrote ...
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:36 PM
Oct 2014
a supposedly non-partisan, non-politically alligned member of the unbiased, media ...


... It extends the hypocrisy point.
 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
14. Really?
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:26 PM
Oct 2014

A little trash talk that is down right stupid when examined is all it takes?

Phew, you're an easy sell. Want some outsourcing to flavor that hide of silliness?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
15. Big Freakin Deal
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:35 PM
Oct 2014

That's your headline? Hillary calls out a politician for avoiding answering questions? Can it get any more banal coming from our leading primary candidate who by the way is close friends with the Bushes? This is pathetic. It's all noise and nothing more. There are real things that need to be questioned and called out and like the Reoublicans Hillary isn't doing that. It's a sick joke in my opinion. This is the most important job in the world and it's being run by a PR firm instead if people with principles. Elizabeth Warren you have my vote and tell all those that say put you as VP on a Clinton ticket that they are either visionless lemmings or chauvinistic fools. It's not because you're a woman that we want you although it's kinda nice and doesn't hurt but it's because you're the best and only real candidate and we don't want to pollute the populist message with any hawkish hubris or status quo nepotism.

azureblue

(2,131 posts)
40. many buzzwords
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:38 PM
Oct 2014

and much inflammatory rhetoric. Is that all you got? Weak.

For those who miss the how this is played, it is a legal maneuver, brought public. It is not a "Billy did it so why can't I?". but "counselor, you opened the door by bringing it up, so I am just following in your footsteps.."

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
16. Hilary is a formidable politician.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:43 PM
Oct 2014

It doesn't guarantee she'll have my vote, though, if she runs.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
17. Her husband was the master of not answering questions.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:52 PM
Oct 2014

At the end of Bill's responses, you'd FEEL like he answered your question but if you read back the response, you'd realize he didn't ACTUALLY answer anything. Pointing out that voters should expect their candidates to answer questions is a great idea, but suggesting that not answering questions DISQUALIFIES one from office makes her sound like she's just making up rules. People being honest with themselves will think Clinton looks just as stupid as Todd did.

azureblue

(2,131 posts)
41. So please explain
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:40 PM
Oct 2014

what Mr. Clinton has to do with this, especially since this happened about 10 years ago? And shows your ignorance of what actually happened. OR maybe what Fox told you to think.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
42. She didn't seem to have a problem with politicans not answering questions when her
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 01:32 AM
Nov 2014

husband was running the country, but that's certainly not specific to her husband. All politicians dodge questions, her husband was just better at it than most.

As I said, Mrs. Clinton was right to point out that Ernst wasn't answering the questions she should. She took what should have been a great argument and went too far by suggesting that it DISQUALIFIED Ernst from office. It makes it look like Clinton look bad and HURTS the argument.

As far as my "ignorance of what actually happened" and what "Fox news told me to think", I think perhaps your only half as clever as you think you are. We both know refusal to answer questions doesn't disqualify anyone from office, and Sec. Clinton knows it too. To say this leaves people with the impression she's just making shit up, and that HURTS what otherwise should be a great point. Think whatever you want about my motivations, but you know that's true.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
19. really. and people are grumbling about it?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oct 2014

Regardless of whether she's your candidate or not, regardless of whether Bill was great at evading questions (things were pretty good for The People during his terms, IIRC), I want the g.o.pee. malignant hypocrisy called out. Dammit.

We liberals are generally highly intelligent, but it can also be a problem when we analyze every detail, and scrupulously shoot ourselves in the foot.

NBachers

(17,007 posts)
32. And the "Hillary-loathing Democrats" really piled on this one
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:21 AM
Oct 2014

Welcome to pre-2016 on Democratic Underground - All Hate against Democrats, Especially Hillary Clinton.

First, I feel like I'm walking on thin ice because I like Barack Obama; I can feel the seething hate for Hillary, and am reluctant to voice my support for her.

And it ain't gonna get any better around here.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
34. Really, Blanche.. the purists go too far and end up
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:55 AM
Oct 2014

looking silly, IMHO.

Hillary turned the tables on the mediawhore, Chucky.. In your face Chucky Todd!

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
20. I can agree with Hillary on this
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:32 PM
Oct 2014

of course, if we take it to its logical conclusion, virtually every office holder in America is disqualified - a good thing! Including Hillary herself, which probably wasn't her intention.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
21. And if anyone says there are no Hilary Haters at DU, then I ask
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:49 PM
Oct 2014

them how they can say that after reading the responses here...it's called hitting back, which she did well...but no, let's overanalyze and find fault with everything.

Cha

(295,929 posts)
35. I don't support Hillary at this point in time, But,
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:59 AM
Oct 2014

Hiillary did Good.. with In your Face, Chucky Todd.

Chucky brought it up.. trolling for rw mitch.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
30. Ernst's slogan: Vote for me first . . and then I'll tell you what I stand for.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

Stupidest political campaign strategy evah!!!

I've seen that same stupid bullshit tried out here in the Land That Time Forgot, and it never worked!
Never!

If someone wants to represent the people of a state, they have to be willing to tell the voters who will be their constituents -- if they win -- what their positions are on the issues of the day!!

You can't just yell out "Splunge" everytime someone asks you if you agree or disagree with your political opponent in a campaign for Senator!!!

sammy750

(165 posts)
37. Iowans like there gun totting women.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:35 AM
Oct 2014

They like those law makers who will shoot on sight if they don't get their way. Ernst is the most radical, as most GOP women are, and will do anything to win. I hope the voters get smart before the election

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. I am getting the distinct impression that the people complaining about Clinton in this thread
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 07:05 PM
Nov 2014

do not understand the context of her remarks.

The Democrat in this race met with the big newspapers in the state for the "sit down interview" that is traditional in many parts of the country and is traditional in that state as well. His GOP opponent chickened out and was afraid to "Meet the (local) Press." These interviews are often tough, they are videoed, and the papers will put them up on the web. They really turn the candidates inside out and let the voters know what they're made of.

The fact that she ran away from the interviews IS telling.

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