Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:53 AM

mrmpa (4,033 posts)

Screw the ACA

#1. It's not health care, it's insurance
#2. It's expensive
#3. Last year I qualified under Federal guidelines for Medicaid, but my State didn't expand so I couldn't receive it and went uninsured
#4. I probably will go uninsured for 2015, last week I viewed plans and the cheapest would cost me $3600 for the premium plus another $3000 deductible, so $6600 I give the insurance company before it pays for anything, that's about 25% of my gross income and about 40% of my net income.
#5. The ACA website pages aren't loading.

I don't want insurance, I want health care. I want what my 84 year old mom has, Medicare. I want a one payer system for everyone under 65. You shouldn't have to qualify for health care based on income, age, sex and pre-existing conditions. I have seen a few plans out there asking the question(s) about health issues.

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Screw the ACA (Original post)	mrmpa	Nov 2014	OP
So what about the folks with pre-existing conditions that never had insurane prior to the ACA?	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2014	#1
Doubtful	tooeyeten	Nov 2014	#61
It won't do most of them a damned bit of good.	Daemonaquila	Nov 2014	#155
The ACA was a bait and switch for those of us who wanted single payer	Wella	Nov 2014	#2
No, it was the largest expansion of the social safety net in decades.	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#6
It can be both	Scootaloo	Nov 2014	#9
Most certainly not enough.	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#12
So let's make it better	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2014	#19
I'm sure you correspond with them frequently.	Scootaloo	Nov 2014	#169
Ya...we're pen pals	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2014	#173
more like	DonCoquixote	Nov 2014	#176
No, it was not an expansion of the safety net: it was an expansion of the insurance market	Wella	Nov 2014	#10
That is a blatant lie on your part.	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#16
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service	LostOne4Ever	Nov 2014	#59
Sometimes the jury gets it right...nt	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#101
Sometimes the jury gets it wrong.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#126
Not in this case	Bobbie Jo	Nov 2014	#132
Juror 5 blatantly lied: For the record, I did not alert	Wella	Nov 2014	#172
Yup....	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#179
Yes, Juror # 5 got it right.. I don't care how many times the poster goes around DU repeating it.	Cha	Nov 2014	#211
I agree with Juror #5.. If it's a Lie it needs to be Exposed.. thanks, geek and LostOne4Ever.	Cha	Nov 2014	#205
Yeah, the poster can't wrap their head around the fact that Millions are covered for Free and	Cha	Nov 2014	#212
Oh so sorry that it didn’t work out for you..	busterbrown	Nov 2014	#39
How do you know he didn't vote, but being in a red state, the math just doesn't come out well for	still_one	Nov 2014	#72
Third Way viper Terry McAuliffe, governor of Blue State, Virginia,	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#90
Medicare and Medicaid are two seperate things, you seem to be confused	Bandit	Nov 2014	#93
Fixed it. Haven't had my coffee yet.	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#94
Did it ever occur to you it could be both????	HERVEPA	Nov 2014	#136
Of course it was....stop pretending otherwise	Sheepshank	Nov 2014	#180
And it's the first part of the safety net to be gradual rather than all or nothing.	treestar	Nov 2014	#31
as long as you work for a company with less than 50 people.	obxhead	Nov 2014	#65
If you are paying the full premium if you can afford it	treestar	Nov 2014	#97
Why is it that you deem one person can afford it and another who isn't offered insurance	TheKentuckian	Nov 2014	#149
HUH? Whether one can afford it is determined by the numbers the federal government	treestar	Nov 2014	#218
The company I work for has shit insurance.	obxhead	Nov 2014	#193
the insurance company is involved either way	treestar	Nov 2014	#219
A system that forces citizens to purchase "insurance" from For Profit private vendors....	bvar22	Nov 2014	#194
Not really. Medicare is primarily administered by insurance companies. And	Hoyt	Nov 2014	#201
Bernie Sanders on Obamacare today.."Republicans Are Getting Very Nervous About Obamacare’s Success"	Cha	Nov 2014	#216
.	Rex	Nov 2014	#3
Scoot over!!	bravenak	Nov 2014	#36
So of course you bash the ACA instead of your own	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#4
Yeah, yell at a guy who can't get insurance to protect your own political feelings	Wella	Nov 2014	#11
How scummy are you?	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2014	#14
I didn't qualify for medicaid in 2014, not 2015..........	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#20
$3600 annual or monthly premium?	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#24
That's annual or $300 a month........	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#27
Your numbers are off.	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#38
I'm self employed and I put aside......	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#42
A lot of self-employed get screwed under ACA	progressoid	Nov 2014	#116
That may be, but not those who already were paying for health insurance.	MineralMan	Nov 2014	#127
Not me. I'm self-employed and the ACA is great	Lex	Nov 2014	#200
It is affordable to millions of people.	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2014	#49
You don't seem to understand	brush	Nov 2014	#88
That person is also spreading the lie that	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#21
I thought only rw gov in red states didn't like the ACA Medicaid option? Too much of Safety Net for	Cha	Nov 2014	#214
I find that interesting that many are ignoring the fact the it was the Supreme Court that said	still_one	Nov 2014	#77
Thank you for reminding them, still_one.	Cha	Nov 2014	#215
And, bash geek b/c he was asking the OP valid questions.. and it's geek who's "protecting your own	Cha	Nov 2014	#213
Much better than the liars who claim it didn't expand	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#17
So you are calling mrmpa a liar. Nice.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#124
well that's the pot calling the kettle black	treestar	Nov 2014	#32
It’s only about you.. Isn’t it?	busterbrown	Nov 2014	#43
Actually it is both the OPs state, and the Supreme Court which allowed the states not to expand	still_one	Nov 2014	#69
No. Screw those it is not helping. Thanks for letting us know how much you care about that.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#123
Sounds like you should be angry at your state for denying you Medicaid under ACA.	Hoyt	Nov 2014	#5
"but my State didn't expand so I couldn't receive it and went uninsured"	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2014	#7
WTF..........	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#22
So you think all of those helped by the ACA are just	geek tragedy	Nov 2014	#25
So if it continues in the blue states and works out well	treestar	Nov 2014	#28
Assumptions, Assumptions.......	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#34
Then medicaid has been expanded, and if you make "too much" for it	treestar	Nov 2014	#41
Okay I am in a blue state.........also	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#45
maybe it's a budget problem	treestar	Nov 2014	#57
That doesn't sound right	brush	Nov 2014	#89
He say's he is self employed and pays a higher tax rate, there for	B Calm	Nov 2014	#105
That's what I mean, it doesn't sound right	brush	Nov 2014	#120
. .	B Calm	Nov 2014	#161
Something is up with him/her	brush	Nov 2014	#168
I am self employed in Tx., I get a huge subsidy on my ACA insurance.	Sunlei	Nov 2014	#146
Maybe your not making as much money. Isn't 35% tax rate in the top 1%	B Calm	Nov 2014	#151
poster mentioned 26k a year? I don't know what their self employment business is.	Sunlei	Nov 2014	#153
I think the poster is misinformed on the ACA. Also the poster needs to pay someone to	B Calm	Nov 2014	#154
I think you're right. A positive is if you pay someone to do taxes, that's a deduction too.	Sunlei	Nov 2014	#163
You are nothing new around here..	busterbrown	Nov 2014	#44
Before this I was employed...........	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#46
Well thats because your employee paid for your healthcare..	busterbrown	Nov 2014	#52
Well clearly you didn't do a good job of getting out the vote	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2014	#35
oh no, it was that the candidates weren't inspiring enough!	treestar	Nov 2014	#40
easy for us to talk about it in California. Did you vote for Arnold? I didn't either, is that our	still_one	Nov 2014	#80
That is SUCH an unbelievably prickish statement.	stillwaiting	Nov 2014	#91
"That is SUCH an unbelievably prickish statement."	Capt. Obvious	Nov 2014	#166
Then why in the holy hell are repubs trying to repeal it?	displacedtexan	Nov 2014	#121
Yeah, blame the states and the Supreme Court for a poorly written law.	progressoid	Nov 2014	#119
Maybe you should organize a letter writing campaign	Cali_Democrat	Nov 2014	#145
medicare is insurance too	bluestateguy	Nov 2014	#8
That's the irony with the 'Medicare for All' crowd.	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2014	#15
I am for Medicare for all too!	bluestateguy	Nov 2014	#18
I don't think that is true	Mojorabbit	Nov 2014	#33
The reason for the co pay is to pay the	yeoman6987	Nov 2014	#95
Supplemental plans are not the same as Medicare Advantage.	bornskeptic	Nov 2014	#115
My 84 year old Mother........	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#37
And my mother has to buy a plan that will cost over $100 a month.	Drunken Irishman	Nov 2014	#48
No, you don't	HockeyMom	Nov 2014	#107
One can chose to buy the supplemental insurance plan. lol It's not "mandated"	Autumn	Nov 2014	#117
yet somehow comes in at 1/6th of the cost	Doctor_J	Nov 2014	#113
"It's not health care, it's insurance"	LostInAnomie	Nov 2014	#13
Till you find out that "anesthesia" is like "extra bacon". n/t	simak	Nov 2014	#99
Unless someone can take his or her $300 per month payment to a health care provider	truebluegreen	Nov 2014	#135
That's why HSA works well for some people without chronic illnesses	Sheepshank	Nov 2014	#187
And HSAs were available without the exchange, right?	truebluegreen	Nov 2014	#202
correct...HSA's are available both on or off the exchange	Sheepshank	Nov 2014	#203
Thank this woman	nationalize the fed	Nov 2014	#23
Make sure you keep leaving out Lieberman.	jeff47	Nov 2014	#111
Well I did well with it	treestar	Nov 2014	#26
OK, but not before I take it out for a nice steak dinner.	Ykcutnek	Nov 2014	#29
Sorry. Complain to your state.	elleng	Nov 2014	#30
I think we may have a republican troll.	minivan2	Nov 2014	#47
Single payer is not health care, it's insurance	Recursion	Nov 2014	#50
Yeah. Single payer reforms the profit right out of health insurance.	Enthusiast	Nov 2014	#62
No, on its own it really doesn't	Recursion	Nov 2014	#64
If we examine the single payer systems around the world there is very little	Enthusiast	Nov 2014	#66
True. So you cut out 10% of the premium by restricting profit. Folks are still gonna	Hoyt	Nov 2014	#76
Really?	Enthusiast	Nov 2014	#78
Yep really. I bet docs and hospitals don't get paid as much there. I bet there is not	Hoyt	Nov 2014	#81
I bet you would be wrong.	Enthusiast	Nov 2014	#82
The ACA regulates the profit of health insurance industry...	tridim	Nov 2014	#106
I'm not saying anything about the ACA.	Enthusiast	Nov 2014	#195
Got it, thanks for the clarification. nt	tridim	Nov 2014	#197
It's one of those slogans people think are so clever.	treestar	Nov 2014	#220
Single payer is also insurance.	bravenak	Nov 2014	#51
Technically yes it is, but it is also so much more.	A Simple Game	Nov 2014	#87
The ACA was written for you to have Medicaid -- so screw the Rethugs in your state, not the ACA.	pnwmom	Nov 2014	#53
true, but it was also the supreme court which allowed his state not to expand medicaid if they	still_one	Nov 2014	#73
It's certainly not perfect...	MoonchildCA	Nov 2014	#54
Actually the $6000 could	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#58
I think the replies here illustrate a big problem	LibDemAlways	Nov 2014	#55
I'm wondering why no progressive legal beagles have raised an "Equal Protection" case	KingCharlemagne	Nov 2014	#171
Ummm, I'm no expert here, but	SheilaT	Nov 2014	#56
If that is what you want, write your congrfessman every day. Forward your e-mail to the White	JDPriestly	Nov 2014	#60
That is good, but in all honesty with the make up of the Congress the way it is, that will not	still_one	Nov 2014	#75
What 'blue' state didn't expand Medicaid?	ColesCountyDem	Nov 2014	#63
Wisconsin. Here is a link	still_one	Nov 2014	#79
On a presidential level, maybe, but more purple, on the state level.	ColesCountyDem	Nov 2014	#83
The Walker and the rest of the state legislator, is repsonsible for	Sheepshank	Nov 2014	#182
Did you read the question? He asked what blue state didn't expand medicaid	still_one	Nov 2014	#185
pretty clear that the question was intended to highlight	Sheepshank	Nov 2014	#188
The auto type screwed up my response, ugly was not intended	still_one	Nov 2014	#189
Florida.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#129
Since when has Florida been 'blue'?	ColesCountyDem	Nov 2014	#150
Blue enough to majority vote for Obama.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#181
And to have a Teabagger governor and Republican legislature. n/t	ColesCountyDem	Nov 2014	#192
Let us know when you don't want our majority vote for a Dem POTUS.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#208
Your point being what?	ColesCountyDem	Nov 2014	#217
Oh it's a state purity thing with you huh? Good luck with that.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#221
What point are you trying to make?	ColesCountyDem	Nov 2014	#222
Blue enough for a majority to vote for Gore in 2000 too eom	noiretextatique	Nov 2014	#196
This is exactly what I went through last year . . .	Brigid	Nov 2014	#67
That is a problem, many people don't think, just attack. The problem with the OP is happening	still_one	Nov 2014	#71
If you can't afford it and are not subsidized, you have to go without, however, it is your state	still_one	Nov 2014	#68
Last I heard it was about half the states that didn't expand Medicaid.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#138
The first blame actually goes to the supreme court, then the states	still_one	Nov 2014	#144
The blame game doesn't help. ACA is very flawed if it won't cover 50% of the people who need it.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#183
No it won't solve it. But it is the reason why, and once again the fact that elections have	still_one	Nov 2014	#186
I get MediCal now	Politicalboi	Nov 2014	#70
Of course. I live in California also, but that doesn't solve his problem, and moving to another	still_one	Nov 2014	#74
How about blaming the state officials who chose not to participate?	liberal N proud	Nov 2014	#84
Medicare isn't quite free. What state are you in? If it's PA, maybe there's hope now with Wolf.	WinkyDink	Nov 2014	#85
ACA doesn't solve the real problem	Man from Pickens	Nov 2014	#86
Insurance companies are making a killing off it, though.	egduj	Nov 2014	#92
And just about everyone involved..	sendero	Nov 2014	#100
God bless America!! WE'RE NUMBER 1 !!!!!!!!	workinclasszero	Nov 2014	#96
Our system is utterly ridiculous.	alarimer	Nov 2014	#98
Screw your republican governor - who didn't expand Medicaid	jpak	Nov 2014	#102
And your Third Way Democratic governor:	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#110
Ah yes blame the victim. He should have been smart enough to live in good states.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#128
I want TriCare - if it is good enough for our Military, it is good enough for me. After all, we are	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2014	#103
Screw you ... it'll save my niece's life.	JoePhilly	Nov 2014	#104
Love the screw you's. So very compassionate.	Autumn	Nov 2014	#118
Hard to feel compasion for some one pointing the finger of blame ...	JoePhilly	Nov 2014	#170
I'm not convinced that voicing frustration with a program that doesn't help a person who needs	Autumn	Nov 2014	#174
There are significant issues	Bettie	Nov 2014	#108
Have enough people let you know just how ungrateful you are?	Capt. Obvious	Nov 2014	#109
Just wait until the pros show up.	Rex	Nov 2014	#130
I'm a little stunned that I can see as much of it as I can	Capt. Obvious	Nov 2014	#131
Just make a thread about HRC not running for office.	Rex	Nov 2014	#133
It sucks but it part of the US political and fiscal picture now for pretty much ever	Doctor_J	Nov 2014	#112
Lots and lots of Third Way talking points, all lined up.	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#114
They are out in force on this one. It's almost sociopathic.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#125
Typical MO. The corporate exploitation of the ACA	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#134
It's rather ironic that they care more about those who can use ACA than those that can't.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#137
I am so sick of these vipers. Many with the same problem in Third Way-governed Virginia,	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#143
The math makes no sense, L0oniX.	moriah	Nov 2014	#165
over the week-end their target was some poor DUer who had a letter clearly showing her increase for	DrDan	Nov 2014	#190
A disabled widow at that	Dragonfli	Nov 2014	#204
It's obvious that some who call themselves democrats are really republicans.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#223
This is my same situation with ACA. For me it's unusable.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#122
Would you care to expand on your situation?	moriah	Nov 2014	#142
My home and cars are paid off. We don't qualify for ACA in Florida.	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#184
I know people have been getting ACA coverage in Florida.	moriah	Nov 2014	#191
Wife gets on Medicare next month $110 from her $810 SSDI. Of course a $4000	L0oniX	Nov 2014	#209
For me, the copays saved me.	moriah	Nov 2014	#210
So you want to take away my coverage? Screw THAT.	moriah	Nov 2014	#139
Ya know, other Americans have different circumstances than yours.	riqster	Nov 2014	#140
? with your 3,600 premium?, heres the .gov link, I don't believe you.	Sunlei	Nov 2014	#141
And ya know, while I normally try to give those who are complaining about the ACA the benefit....	moriah	Nov 2014	#147
Dear mrmpa ... I want to apologize for the rude manner in which you are treated here ...	Trajan	Nov 2014	#148
Either they clicked wrong buttons when they looked, or they're lying.	moriah	Nov 2014	#157
Thank you...	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#159
Please look at the Silver plans, and make sure you aren't checking that you're ....	moriah	Nov 2014	#167
$129 a month for a Silver plan is pretty damn cheap!	B Calm	Nov 2014	#206
Affordable Care Act ...	Martin Eden	Nov 2014	#152
The most brazenly Orwellian name yet for a Corporate	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#156
You want Medicare like your Mom? That's INSURANCE too, not health care	frazzled	Nov 2014	#158
I do understand medicare..........	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#160
Did you check that you were a smoker, or that you were not going to file a tax return?	moriah	Nov 2014	#162
Oh I pay my taxes..............	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#199
Wasn't suggesting you didn't pay, but some people don't have to file.	moriah	Nov 2014	#207
Medicare doesn't cover everything	frazzled	Nov 2014	#164
I have 42 years paid into medicare.............`	mrmpa	Nov 2014	#198
Don't you mean "Screw my state for not expanding Medicaid" and screw the SCOTUS for enabling your	McCamy Taylor	Nov 2014	#175
first, you are blaming ACA because your state did not expand?	Sheepshank	Nov 2014	#177
When I read your title I had a feeling PR flacks would come out to attack you.	pa28	Nov 2014	#178
Good thing this is all about you	Motown_Johnny	Nov 2014	#224

Response to mrmpa (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:55 AM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

1. So what about the folks with pre-existing conditions that never had insurane prior to the ACA?

Screw 'em?

You want single payer health care?

Good luck getting that through the next Congress. Maybe the Republicans will have a change of heart.

Screw the ACA

1. So what about the folks with pre-existing conditions that never had insurane prior to the ACA?

61. Doubtful

155. It won't do most of them a damned bit of good.

2. The ACA was a bait and switch for those of us who wanted single payer

6. No, it was the largest expansion of the social safety net in decades.

9. It can be both

12. Most certainly not enough.

19. So let's make it better

169. I'm sure you correspond with them frequently.

173. Ya...we're pen pals

176. more like

10. No, it was not an expansion of the safety net: it was an expansion of the insurance market

16. That is a blatant lie on your part.

59. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

101. Sometimes the jury gets it right...nt

126. Sometimes the jury gets it wrong.

132. Not in this case

172. Juror 5 blatantly lied: For the record, I did not alert

179. Yup....

211. Yes, Juror # 5 got it right.. I don't care how many times the poster goes around DU repeating it.

205. I agree with Juror #5.. If it's a Lie it needs to be Exposed.. thanks, geek and LostOne4Ever.

212. Yeah, the poster can't wrap their head around the fact that Millions are covered for Free and

39. Oh so sorry that it didn’t work out for you..

72. How do you know he didn't vote, but being in a red state, the math just doesn't come out well for

90. Third Way viper Terry McAuliffe, governor of Blue State, Virginia,

93. Medicare and Medicaid are two seperate things, you seem to be confused

94. Fixed it. Haven't had my coffee yet.

136. Did it ever occur to you it could be both????

180. Of course it was....stop pretending otherwise

31. And it's the first part of the safety net to be gradual rather than all or nothing.

65. as long as you work for a company with less than 50 people.

97. If you are paying the full premium if you can afford it

149. Why is it that you deem one person can afford it and another who isn't offered insurance

218. HUH? Whether one can afford it is determined by the numbers the federal government

193. The company I work for has shit insurance.

219. the insurance company is involved either way

194. A system that forces citizens to purchase "insurance" from For Profit private vendors....

201. Not really. Medicare is primarily administered by insurance companies. And

216. Bernie Sanders on Obamacare today.."Republicans Are Getting Very Nervous About Obamacare’s Success"

3. .

36. Scoot over!!

4. So of course you bash the ACA instead of your own

11. Yeah, yell at a guy who can't get insurance to protect your own political feelings

14. How scummy are you?

20. I didn't qualify for medicaid in 2014, not 2015..........

24. $3600 annual or monthly premium?

27. That's annual or $300 a month........

38. Your numbers are off.

42. I'm self employed and I put aside......

116. A lot of self-employed get screwed under ACA

127. That may be, but not those who already were paying for health insurance.

200. Not me. I'm self-employed and the ACA is great

49. It is affordable to millions of people.

88. You don't seem to understand

21. That person is also spreading the lie that

214. I thought only rw gov in red states didn't like the ACA Medicaid option? Too much of Safety Net for

77. I find that interesting that many are ignoring the fact the it was the Supreme Court that said

215. Thank you for reminding them, still_one.

213. And, bash geek b/c he was asking the OP valid questions.. and it's geek who's "protecting your own

17. Much better than the liars who claim it didn't expand

124. So you are calling mrmpa a liar. Nice.

32. well that's the pot calling the kettle black

43. It’s only about you.. Isn’t it?

69. Actually it is both the OPs state, and the Supreme Court which allowed the states not to expand

123. No. Screw those it is not helping. Thanks for letting us know how much you care about that.

5. Sounds like you should be angry at your state for denying you Medicaid under ACA.

7. "but my State didn't expand so I couldn't receive it and went uninsured"

22. WTF..........

25. So you think all of those helped by the ACA are just

28. So if it continues in the blue states and works out well

34. Assumptions, Assumptions.......

41. Then medicaid has been expanded, and if you make "too much" for it

45. Okay I am in a blue state.........also

57. maybe it's a budget problem

89. That doesn't sound right

105. He say's he is self employed and pays a higher tax rate, there for

120. That's what I mean, it doesn't sound right

161. . .

168. Something is up with him/her