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Obama DID call torturers patriots. Deal with it. NT

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Obama DID call torturers patriots. Deal with it. NT (Original post)	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	OP
Really Grahm I didn't read it that way	Kalidurga	Dec 2014	#1
Point out where he made the distinction between those who tortured and those who didn't. You can't	Luminous Animal	Dec 2014	#3
I think it's implied in the paragraph breaks	Kalidurga	Dec 2014	#5
Read it as you will; what matters most	Jackpine Radical	Dec 2014	#27
He actually had his fingers crossed while saying it	Capt. Obvious	Dec 2014	#37
This was vocalized. Paragraphs and sentence breaks were added after the fact.	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#80
What is it important for us "not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect" about?	deurbano	Dec 2014	#9
Here ya go.	brush	Dec 2014	#28
I love this meme, that many in the CIA objected, protested, and left their jobs.	Demit	Dec 2014	#63
You are trying to rewrite a speech. Unfortunately you can not fix what he said.	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#98
it says "a lot of those folks" not all	Motown_Johnny	Dec 2014	#32
NOT ALL TORTURERS ARE SODOMIZERS OF YOUNG BOYS	Capt. Obvious	Dec 2014	#38
"doing that job"	RedCappedBandit	Dec 2014	#70
I didn't notice that last sentence before: 'one of the first things I did was to	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#114
You are exactly correct.	JEB	Dec 2014	#132
So he's simply going out of his way to praise normal job-doers? And also feels the need to mix such	WinkyDink	Dec 2014	#96
It does, and worse. He said don't be sanctimonious about it.	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#97
If they're not patriots, then, what are they?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#119
^	nationalize the fed	Dec 2014	#2
No, he did not.	Major Hogwash	Dec 2014	#4
Then what is the excuse not prosecuting someone who tortured innocent people?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#110
You are determined to misread the quote. Ask yourself why, and deal with it. nt	Hekate	Dec 2014	#6
LOL, You are determined to misread the quote. Ask yourself why, and deal with it. nt	Logical	Dec 2014	#81
that is certainly the way I read it	DrDan	Dec 2014	#7
Rape	billhicks76	Dec 2014	#11
It also didn't include anyone sent out of the country for "rendition"..	SomethingFishy	Dec 2014	#91
No, he did not.	lovemydog	Dec 2014	#8
No he didnt but even if he did call them patriots so what?	cstanleytech	Dec 2014	#10
One difference: In 1776 slavery was legal.	WinkyDink	Dec 2014	#93
Legal doesnt = right thing to do. nt	cstanleytech	Dec 2014	#105
He's a wordsmith master	Ichingcarpenter	Dec 2014	#12
Exactly....	sendero	Dec 2014	#16
My take is... he did... but like I said	Ichingcarpenter	Dec 2014	#22
As Oprah said: 'you're a patriot'	Ichingcarpenter	Dec 2014	#25
lol	Jesus Malverde	Dec 2014	#101
Excellent post. Rec	LittleBlue	Dec 2014	#72
Reminds me of the Ministry of Truth...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2014	#107
Clearly the dog whistle he was using, let torture proponents know that	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#121
Of course he did.	woo me with science	Dec 2014	#13
So what!! All American "patriots" were terrorists by the definition we have now. Ask GB.	kelliekat44	Dec 2014	#14
"I understand why it happened." pretty much tells you the whole story.	Bonobo	Dec 2014	#15
Best parsing of the 3 paragraphs I've yet read. 'Denial' about captures the response	KingCharlemagne	Dec 2014	#17
+1	Scuba	Dec 2014	#18
You mean the "mistakes" they made?	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#99
I don't give a damn if he did or didn't. It's trivial and irrelevant.	99Forever	Dec 2014	#19
So we really are expected to believe he is for torture?	treestar	Dec 2014	#20
Then why not prosecute?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#23
Because in HIS world, his actions have consequences ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2014	#77
In the real world, failure to prosecute has been a boon for terrorism worldwide.	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#79
No it hasn't ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2014	#87
So in your view, there is no reason for laws?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#113
No ...	1StrongBlackMan	Dec 2014	#124
It's not just a deterrence, it provides rehabilitation for the corrupt mind of the torturers,	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#127
So you think he's in favor of torture,	treestar	Dec 2014	#90
All torturer should be prosecuted, can we agree?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#122
Amazingly enough, it was with exactly your argument that people became nazis. If you do not	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#100
Du rec	Jesus Malverde	Dec 2014	#21
He didn't, but the haters gonna hate regardless. eom	MohRokTah	Dec 2014	#24
yup, it doesn't fit their talking point	still_one	Dec 2014	#26
Did too! Did too!	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#29
Nice selfie.	BeanMusical	Dec 2014	#130
?	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2014	#131
Think about what are suggesting. That a sitting president would glorify torturers....lmao!	BenzoDia	Dec 2014	#30
We agree that President Bush did, yes?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#82
Have a quote where he does?	BenzoDia	Dec 2014	#104
Do we both agree that Bush was in charge of a regime that anctioned torture?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#112
You have an odd way of thinking.	Marr	Dec 2014	#118
This is one of the most astonishing denials of black-letter reality I've ever seen.	WilliamPitt	Dec 2014	#31
Same cognitive dissonance	whatchamacallit	Dec 2014	#33
And oddly, cognitive dissonance is often used by interrogators to bring their target into the fold.	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#109
"A lot of those folks" means "a lot of those torturers"	MisterP	Dec 2014	#36
Blows my mind. nt	Horse with no Name	Dec 2014	#75
He wasn't talking about the torturers in your selected quote.	LawDeeDah	Dec 2014	#76
Please. The "entirety" suggests nothing you claim. Why would he feel the need to demand we "not be	WinkyDink	Dec 2014	#94
He was talking about torturers the entire time. That is the subject. the only subject. torture repor	robinlynne	Dec 2014	#102
Outstanding point!	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#128
Still finding it necessary ...	NanceGreggs	Dec 2014	#88
Of course that is the meme you'd like to press.	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#34
So he didn't say the torturers are patriots?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#39
really	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#41
When is Obama going to prosecute those responsible?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#42
probably after all the screeching of	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#43
Awww, poor baby	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#44
that fact that you make up shit and then ask me to read someones mind is pretty idiotic	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#45
Poor thing	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#47
provide some proof that no torturer under Obama has ever been prosecuted	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#50
You want me to prove a negative?? LMAO	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#52
why are you repeating your idiotic unansweable question...I don't read minds	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#56
Easy question	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#61
You changed your question	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#64
You poor thing	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#66
Wow, this one is an easy one to answer...	Jamastiene	Dec 2014	#129
How bout after the screams of the tortured have stopped?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#123
no, he didn't say torturers are patriots	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#46
Ah, good. Glad he didn't say torturers were patriots	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#49
so you finally admit he didn't say it	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#51
I didn't make a statement, I asked a question	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#54
"Glad he didn't say torturers were patriots"	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#57
Easy question	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#60
moving the goalposts...something RW'ers do all the time	Sheepshank	Dec 2014	#65
Really so hard to answer?	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#67
I guess it really IS too hard for you to answer	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#68
That's not happening because of the great danger of sanctimony	JVS	Dec 2014	#59
The pom-pom squad	LondonReign2	Dec 2014	#62
Why urge people to not be sanctimonious?	Deny and Shred	Dec 2014	#35
Obama also said torture is against American's values	Beringia	Dec 2014	#86
Perhaps America has new values	Deny and Shred	Dec 2014	#92
How odd.	OilemFirchen	Dec 2014	#40
Your one-line post is obvious trolling. Deal with that. nt	True Blue Door	Dec 2014	#48
Exactly. nt	Andy823	Dec 2014	#58
One line trolling is fun.	obnoxiousdrunk	Dec 2014	#78
+1,000,000,000,000 eom	MohRokTah	Dec 2014	#106
He was very careful not to do that	JVS	Dec 2014	#53
can we get some links?	JaneyVee	Dec 2014	#55
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	Dec 2014	#69
The entire excerpt is a justification for torture	RedCappedBandit	Dec 2014	#71
Well, he certainly didn't call them thugs, monsters, sociopathic criminals, or paid sadists.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2014	#73
Don't bother engaging with the flat earth society.	pa28	Dec 2014	#74
He admitted that we (America) broke the law many times.	Rex	Dec 2014	#83
Exactly-- acknowledging that 'we tortured some folks', and having no legal proceedings	Marr	Dec 2014	#117
That is the whole point people are trying to make, but others keep pretending	Rex	Dec 2014	#125
Why would he even do that? Obama is smarter than about anyone on this stupid forum	BootinUp	Dec 2014	#84
Speak for yourself!	WinkyDink	Dec 2014	#95
Perhaps he's not smarter than	840high	Dec 2014	#103
Why would anyone not prosecute someone who tortured an innocent person?	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#111
Well, he did say it.	Marr	Dec 2014	#116
Post removed	Post removed	Dec 2014	#85
bump..nt	Jesus Malverde	Dec 2014	#89
Dealing with it, step #1...	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2014	#108
People who say the group he labeled 'patriots' was vague are arguing against Obama.	Marr	Dec 2014	#115
The reason for not prosecuting the torturers is	grahamhgreen	Dec 2014	#120
And while we debate this Jamie Dimon and others are plotting the annihilation of all but the one	NoJusticeNoPeace	Dec 2014	#126

Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:11 AM

Kalidurga (14,177 posts)

1. Really Grahm I didn't read it that way

many people did not read it that way. I read it that some people in the war were patriots and other's well they tortured people and they were wrong. And that nothing is going to be done cuz it's history or some lame thing. So, yeah it is lame. But, it doesn't give rise to the monstrous claim you are making.

Obama DID call torturers patriots. Deal with it. NT

1. Really Grahm I didn't read it that way

3. Point out where he made the distinction between those who tortured and those who didn't. You can't

5. I think it's implied in the paragraph breaks

27. Read it as you will; what matters most

37. He actually had his fingers crossed while saying it

80. This was vocalized. Paragraphs and sentence breaks were added after the fact.

9. What is it important for us "not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect" about?

28. Here ya go.

63. I love this meme, that many in the CIA objected, protested, and left their jobs.

98. You are trying to rewrite a speech. Unfortunately you can not fix what he said.

32. it says "a lot of those folks" not all

38. NOT ALL TORTURERS ARE SODOMIZERS OF YOUNG BOYS

70. "doing that job"

114. I didn't notice that last sentence before: 'one of the first things I did was to

132. You are exactly correct.

96. So he's simply going out of his way to praise normal job-doers? And also feels the need to mix such

97. It does, and worse. He said don't be sanctimonious about it.

119. If they're not patriots, then, what are they?

2. ^

4. No, he did not.

110. Then what is the excuse not prosecuting someone who tortured innocent people?

6. You are determined to misread the quote. Ask yourself why, and deal with it. nt

81. LOL, You are determined to misread the quote. Ask yourself why, and deal with it. nt

7. that is certainly the way I read it

11. Rape

91. It also didn't include anyone sent out of the country for "rendition"..

8. No, he did not.

10. No he didnt but even if he did call them patriots so what?

93. One difference: In 1776 slavery was legal.

105. Legal doesnt = right thing to do. nt

12. He's a wordsmith master

16. Exactly....

22. My take is... he did... but like I said

25. As Oprah said: 'you're a patriot'

101. lol

72. Excellent post. Rec

107. Reminds me of the Ministry of Truth...

121. Clearly the dog whistle he was using, let torture proponents know that

13. Of course he did.

14. So what!! All American "patriots" were terrorists by the definition we have now. Ask GB.

15. "I understand why it happened." pretty much tells you the whole story.

17. Best parsing of the 3 paragraphs I've yet read. 'Denial' about captures the response

18. +1

99. You mean the "mistakes" they made?

19. I don't give a damn if he did or didn't. It's trivial and irrelevant.

20. So we really are expected to believe he is for torture?

23. Then why not prosecute?

77. Because in HIS world, his actions have consequences ...

79. In the real world, failure to prosecute has been a boon for terrorism worldwide.

87. No it hasn't ...

113. So in your view, there is no reason for laws?

124. No ...

127. It's not just a deterrence, it provides rehabilitation for the corrupt mind of the torturers,

90. So you think he's in favor of torture,

122. All torturer should be prosecuted, can we agree?

100. Amazingly enough, it was with exactly your argument that people became nazis. If you do not

21. Du rec

24. He didn't, but the haters gonna hate regardless. eom

26. yup, it doesn't fit their talking point

29. Did too! Did too!

130. Nice selfie.

131. ?

30. Think about what are suggesting. That a sitting president would glorify torturers....lmao!

82. We agree that President Bush did, yes?

104. Have a quote where he does?

112. Do we both agree that Bush was in charge of a regime that anctioned torture?

118. You have an odd way of thinking.

31. This is one of the most astonishing denials of black-letter reality I've ever seen.

33. Same cognitive dissonance

109. And oddly, cognitive dissonance is often used by interrogators to bring their target into the fold.

36. "A lot of those folks" means "a lot of those torturers"

75. Blows my mind. nt

76. He wasn't talking about the torturers in your selected quote.

94. Please. The "entirety" suggests nothing you claim. Why would he feel the need to demand we "not be

102. He was talking about torturers the entire time. That is the subject. the only subject. torture repor

128. Outstanding point!

88. Still finding it necessary ...

34. Of course that is the meme you'd like to press.

39. So he didn't say the torturers are patriots?