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leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:52 PM May 2015

Somebody talked!!!!!!!!!!!! RE:Baltimore cops

There is no way in hell a state attorney charges just one cop with 2nd degree murder and the rest of them with manslaughter plus other charges unless one of the cops talked. I have a feeling since the 6th cop is not in custody, he is the talkative one. How would she know which cop to charge with murder and which ones for lesser charges unless someone is singing the blues?

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Somebody talked!!!!!!!!!!!! RE:Baltimore cops (Original Post) leftofcool May 2015 OP
Charging all six of them with serious offenses that can lead to hifiguy May 2015 #1
That's what I was thinking. leftofcool May 2015 #3
Facing ten or fifteen years in the slammer can sharpen the mind hifiguy May 2015 #7
especially for a police officer... CoffeeCat May 2015 #24
Just about everything they have said is a lie. The knife...legal. No cause for arrest. et al libdem4life May 2015 #28
Cnn says all 6 in custody. n/t dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #2
That must have just happened. leftofcool May 2015 #5
Yes...someone a recent thread commented it had just happened. n/t dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #10
6th cop in custody.... chillfactor May 2015 #4
A distinct possibility. But .. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #6
Since the fatal injury matches a bolt in the van it should be clear that the police who weren't okaawhatever May 2015 #8
They were all complicit in a crime. Downwinder May 2015 #16
Yes they were. I was responding to this quote from the op: okaawhatever May 2015 #17
Police Departments are very hierarchical. Downwinder May 2015 #21
I'd like to see the mugshots cwydro May 2015 #9
Here ya go! tblue37 May 2015 #29
Except the one who wasn't in custody B2G May 2015 #11
Note: the last one in custody was apparently the driver. longship May 2015 #12
as long as we're speculating, there is another possibility -- unblock May 2015 #13
As they often say on so many cop shows, avebury May 2015 #19
Maybe the one who was driving is the one with the 2nd degree charge. Motown_Johnny May 2015 #14
The driver is the one with most serious charges. longship May 2015 #15
. Motown_Johnny May 2015 #18
It is a Bette Davis quote. longship May 2015 #20
Cool allusion bro Vattel May 2015 #22
In a mob or gang case, which this is, hifiguy May 2015 #23
Without a confession, how could you prove this? PinkPotus May 2015 #25
We don't know what the available video shows but it could potentially show this. Mayberry Machiavelli May 2015 #26
Before this case is tried, one or more of the officers will get a deal Gothmog May 2015 #27
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. Charging all six of them with serious offenses that can lead to
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:54 PM
May 2015

decades of jail time makes it inevitable that one of them is gonna blink and tell the truth.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Facing ten or fifteen years in the slammer can sharpen the mind
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:01 PM
May 2015

and alter one's decision-making rather quickly.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
24. especially for a police officer...
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:55 PM
May 2015

I can't imagine a police officer fearing anything more than prison.

Would they even last a month?

I agree….someone is talking.

I think this whole story they gave, is a cooked up farce. The supposedly had some witness that they arrested--who said that they know that Freddie was injuring himself in the paddy wagon. Turns out, this witness is now denying that. I think their entire house of cards is being blown over by the winds of justice.

And if it comes out that they all conspired to lie and collude, after this man was murdered--and that they also intimidated an arrested person to lie--there will be more charges forthcoming.

It's all very mind boggling, sad and devastating.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
28. Just about everything they have said is a lie. The knife...legal. No cause for arrest. et al
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:11 PM
May 2015

The young man who reportedly gave them their "testimony" went on camera to protect himself. They lied about him in writing, apparently.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
6. A distinct possibility. But ..
Fri May 1, 2015, 04:59 PM
May 2015

of course, other scenarios are also possible to deduce from the supportive facts you cite.

Such as ... agh ... well I'm sure there are other possibilities, but i just can't think of one right how.

okaawhatever

(9,453 posts)
8. Since the fatal injury matches a bolt in the van it should be clear that the police who weren't
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:02 PM
May 2015

in the van would get lesser charges.

okaawhatever

(9,453 posts)
17. Yes they were. I was responding to this quote from the op:
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:45 PM
May 2015

"There is no way in hell a state attorney charges just one cop with 2nd degree murder and the rest of them with manslaughter plus other charges unless one of the cops talked."

I'm offering up that one could be charged with 2nd degree murder (the van driver) and the rest manslaughter (the other officers) without someone talking. The evidence gives a time frame for the crime (while he was in the van) so there would be different levels of punishment w/o anyone talking. I think the blue wall will stand firm on this one.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
21. Police Departments are very hierarchical.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:24 PM
May 2015

The most Sr. Officer is always in charge. If the Chiefs orders for seat restraints were not followed the Lt. had to countermand them.

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. Note: the last one in custody was apparently the driver.
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:14 PM
May 2015

The one with the most serious charges against him. When you are the principle bad guy you have little bargaining power.

If somebody spilled the beans I am betting that Alicia was the one who called these scums out. She has few charges against her and I am sure her lawyer would have explained things to her.

I watched, with awe, Ms Mosby's presser. She wasn't giving up any info about sources. Very professional.

But I agree, there almost had to be a witness who is talking for these very specific charges to be leveled.

Somebody has turned. And it is absolutely not the sixth cop, the driver. That is why he was the last to come in!!!!! And he's screwed, which is why he was the last. So the OP has it utterly wrong.

Again, I'll put my money on Alicia. However, mere speculation.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
13. as long as we're speculating, there is another possibility --
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:23 PM
May 2015

namely, that the no one has talked *yet*, but the prosecutor is trying to pressure them into talking. the current charges could have been calculated based on creating the illusion that someone has already talked in order to induce others into talking, or to put the most pressure on the one they think most likely to crack.

keep in mind that if someone does talk and the picture of the events changes, the prosecutor can go back and add more or drop charges to suit any emerging testimony or evidence.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
19. As they often say on so many cop shows,
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:55 PM
May 2015

the first one to talk gets the deal. But there is probably a lot of pressure being put on all of them to keep their mouths shut and not deal (you know that pesky blue wall of silence). Hopefully one of them will crack and spill.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. Maybe the one who was driving is the one with the 2nd degree charge.
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

Since he was actively using stopping, turning and accelerating the vehicle to throw Mr. Gray around inside the van which (presumably) caused the fatal injuries.

Just speculation, but only 1 could have been driving.


longship

(40,416 posts)
15. The driver is the one with most serious charges.
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:39 PM
May 2015

And yes, he was the last to surrender to authorities.

Which means that he wasn't the one who talked. But I agree with OP that somebody who was there is talking, especially with such very specific charges.

And Mosby is too smart to reveal which one it is, so they are all indicted. But I suspect that at least one of the indicted is cooperating with Mosby.

This could blow up really big and Mosby knows this. I think that she also knows that this incident is not a one off.

Fasten your seatbelts. It is going to get rough.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
18. .
Fri May 1, 2015, 05:50 PM
May 2015

You might want to use a different phrase there.

"Fasten your seatbelts" could be seen as insensitive. Hell, odds are I will get flamed for pointing it out.

longship

(40,416 posts)
20. It is a Bette Davis quote.
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:07 PM
May 2015

From All About Eve. I was making an allusion.

And I think SA Mosby knows what kind of mess that she has stumbled into. But I think she also knows that she also has the perps by the short hairs.

Why do I think that?

Because her charges were so damned specific! And she was so self-assured in her presser today. That means that she has a witness to that night's events. That could only happen if one (or more) of the cops had turned.

And when such things happen, fasten your seatbelts.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
23. In a mob or gang case, which this is,
Fri May 1, 2015, 06:34 PM
May 2015

a smart prosecutor plays the defendants off each other. And everything I have seen of Ms. Mosby so far tells me she is a razor-sharp lawyer. Somebody has squealed. Looking at a long stretch in the State Pen will do that to people.

 

PinkPotus

(35 posts)
25. Without a confession, how could you prove this?
Fri May 1, 2015, 10:59 PM
May 2015

How can you prove intent and not traffic conditions..

I'm terrified that there simply won't be any evidence and the officers will be acquitted.

Mayberry Machiavelli

(21,096 posts)
26. We don't know what the available video shows but it could potentially show this.
Fri May 1, 2015, 11:05 PM
May 2015

If the video from the store that showed the "extra stop" not reported, shows wild swerving and sudden stops with no traffic on the road, that would be damning. Just as one type of example.

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