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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:35 PM May 2015

Clinton's staff has "extremely close" ties to Obama's.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/obama-will-back-clinton-but-he-may-not-make-her-campaign-eas#.lyX4WG7xed

And Clinton has hired a staff whose relationships with the White House are extremely close. Her communications director, Jennifer Palmieri, is Psaki’s immediate predecessor. Another spokesman, Brian Fallon, is married to Obama’s legislative director, Katie Beirne Fallon. Teddy Goff, the Obama campaign’s digital director, is now running Clinton’s digital operation. And most important is John Podesta, a veteran of both the Obama and Clinton White Houses, who is her campaign chair. Stylistically, the influence was already visible in the roll-out of the campaign — dubbed Hillary for America, in an echo of Obama’s.

This day-to-day harmony has been a bit of a disappointment to the press covering them, and a shock even to those involved.

“The tales about battles between White Houses and candidates of their party to succeed them are legendary in politics,” a Clinton aide told BuzzFeed News. “If the start of this campaign is any indication, the legends may die here.”
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Clinton's staff has "extremely close" ties to Obama's. (Original Post) pnwmom May 2015 OP
Oh noes we all gonna die shenmue May 2015 #1
too many are relunctant to admit that yes, Obama and Clinton are KMOD May 2015 #2
Hmm, I see them as very similar dreamnightwind May 2015 #11
Well, our choices are, whether you like it or not, to support Democrats, KMOD May 2015 #14
Wow, unbelievable response dreamnightwind May 2015 #40
Oh, no, no, no! They hate, hate, hate each other! See this picture: freshwest May 2015 #20
I read in WaPo that Sanders team has picked up a slew of former Obama staff. Which made me lol Number23 May 2015 #3
If you would have found a way to throw in Wall Street you'd have gotten a triple word okaawhatever May 2015 #4
I'm sure that means something clever and wonderful in your head Number23 May 2015 #7
.... giftedgirl77 May 2015 #33
Yes, and "oligarchy" is a big bogeyman word now, too. R B Garr May 2015 #9
For some reason the Sanders supporters seem to take it as a very positive sign pnwmom May 2015 #6
Which says to me that some are either finally getting hip to how this politics thing works Number23 May 2015 #8
Hah! freshwest May 2015 #24
Personally I did not see it as a positive dreamnightwind May 2015 #10
Obama enjoys 70-80+ per cent support from Democrats, liberals and liberal Democrats. Number23 May 2015 #12
Yes I think they are web positions dreamnightwind May 2015 #13
Better get that salt ready... Number23 May 2015 #16
OK dreamnightwind May 2015 #19
I expect non-voting as promised and silence. But I won't be here to see it if the GOP wins. freshwest May 2015 #21
This is obvious. joshcryer May 2015 #5
Elizabeth Warren, who you've criticize on thread after thread where people expressed hope she'd run merrily May 2015 #29
So what? joshcryer May 2015 #38
*Of course* they do. HRC is one planned option for continuation of the corporate oligarchy. woo me with science May 2015 #15
Then Sanders must be, too, because his supporters are crowing about the Obama staff members pnwmom May 2015 #17
I wouldn't worry. woo me with science May 2015 #18
I'm not worried. I'm realistic. Sanders won't be able to get any legislation pnwmom May 2015 #23
I think it depends on what you choose to 'compromise' on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #28
That would make sense except pnwmom May 2015 #37
A DUer ASKED what DUers made of staffing and suddenly Bernie's Third Way? LMAO. merrily May 2015 #30
Great post! newfie11 May 2015 #22
Outstanding. merrily May 2015 #31
Obama ran two of the strongest campaigns in recent memory Gothmog May 2015 #25
Exactly FLPanhandle May 2015 #27
Out of that group, the only one I wish Bernie had snagged instead Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #26
Not surprising TPTB want to maintain the status quo notadmblnd May 2015 #32
Buzzfeed is heinous bullshit. True Blue Door May 2015 #34
That's right, kill the messenger. pnwmom May 2015 #36
Bernie has added Obama staffers. I think that's a great idea as long as the one in charge Autumn May 2015 #35
KnR Hekate May 2015 #39
 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
2. too many are relunctant to admit that yes, Obama and Clinton are
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:46 PM
May 2015

respectful of each other and that they actually like each other and are on the same team and share the same goals.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
11. Hmm, I see them as very similar
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:28 AM
May 2015

I supported Obama in '08, regretted it greatly, though we weren't given better choices. Kucinich was closer to my positions but he ran a terrible campaign and Obama convinced me he was something other than what he governed as, which is a major component of my refusal to support a similar candidate again. There are probably others that fit your statement, most Bernie supporters I have spoken with aren't big fans of Obama though.

I did think it was great on a personal level how Obama and Hillary patched it up after am acrimonious primary. It didn't please me though to see her in his administration since I supported him mostly because of how he somewhat disingenuously positioned himself to her left.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
14. Well, our choices are, whether you like it or not, to support Democrats,
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:38 AM
May 2015

or support Republicans.

I personally support Democrats.

I'm sorry that you can't find a candidate that you like.

If you don't like President Obama, or the current Democrats running for 2016, perhaps you should look at the republican candidates, and see if you can somehow change their stance to fit yours.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
40. Wow, unbelievable response
Mon May 11, 2015, 03:32 AM
May 2015

I don't often do this, but welcome to ignore. You should be ashamed but of course you won't be. FFS.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. Oh, no, no, no! They hate, hate, hate each other! See this picture:
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:35 AM
May 2015


The Dalai Lama hates her too:



I can post more haters, but really, it's getting late.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
3. I read in WaPo that Sanders team has picked up a slew of former Obama staff. Which made me lol
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:43 AM
May 2015

I get the distinct impression that the Sanders campaign will throw open the doors for the good folks who worked for the "con man" who called himself a "moderate Republican" and was "Reagan lite."

The only real question is: will the Sanders supporters throw Sanders under the Greyhound for aligning with the Third Way, corpo-Dem former Obama staffers??

And why do I think that the answer to that will be a resounding "nyet!"

okaawhatever

(9,453 posts)
4. If you would have found a way to throw in Wall Street you'd have gotten a triple word
Fri May 8, 2015, 12:57 AM
May 2015

score. Very close to perfect though.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
9. Yes, and "oligarchy" is a big bogeyman word now, too.
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:58 AM
May 2015

It's so overused here, it now just refers to a bunch of people who know each other, which is apparently a very bad thing.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
6. For some reason the Sanders supporters seem to take it as a very positive sign
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:13 AM
May 2015

that some of the staffers are moving to Sanders' campaign.

I don't understand this if the idea is to differentiate Sanders from the "con man" they've been working for.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
8. Which says to me that some are either finally getting hip to how this politics thing works
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:34 AM
May 2015

Or their screaming protestations over the years about what a fascist Wall Street puppet Obama is is every bit the unadulterated BS that everyone said it was.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
10. Personally I did not see it as a positive
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:21 AM
May 2015

though I would have to know a lot more about the individuals he hired, anyone know more about their ties to large corporate interests or how those ties, if they exist, would likely impact Bernie's positions?

If they are just technicians who have no policy influence I would be glad for Bernie (weren't they for internet and media promotion positions?), he will need a skilled and talented staff.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
12. Obama enjoys 70-80+ per cent support from Democrats, liberals and liberal Democrats.
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:32 AM
May 2015

If Sanders is not stupid and wants to win, you better believe he will be making a play for as many Obama staffers as he can not to mention an endorsement from the man himself.

I believe the most recent Obama staffers that Sanders has hired are for the web team. Fully expect more to be pursued for other positions as well.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
13. Yes I think they are web positions
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:37 AM
May 2015

which is probably a good thing, they were very skillful. I had read, though, don't think I bookmarked it, an OP about how former Obama web developers had spun off their own company and some of their clients were real RW trash, if Sanders has hired those people I would not be pleased, maybe someone knows more.

If Bernie starts hiring people in positions to influence policy that are the equivalent of Obama or Hillary staffers, I will eat my hat.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
16. Better get that salt ready...
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:44 AM
May 2015


Yes, why would Bernie Sanders, running for the Democratic nomination, want to hire staff from the last Democratic administration that is incredibly popular among Democrats and liberals? Heresy!

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
19. OK
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:11 AM
May 2015

We'll see who he hires. Mark Penn, Carville, Messina, Lanny Davis, Podesta, Stephanopolous, Panetta, anyone from Goldman Sachs, those are the kind of people I don't want to see on his staff. I'm not too worried!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. I expect non-voting as promised and silence. But I won't be here to see it if the GOP wins.
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:41 AM
May 2015
You guys will have to carry on without me.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
5. This is obvious.
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:00 AM
May 2015

Power begets power. It's why much of Obama's administration was composed of Clinton people. And yes, that includes Elizabeth Warren...

It's all about the close nit political circles, there's no real way for outsiders to get in.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. Elizabeth Warren, who you've criticize on thread after thread where people expressed hope she'd run
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:22 AM
May 2015

against Hillary? Never a good word to say about her? That Elizaabeth Warren?

In any event, apparently, all was not peaches and cream between her and the Clintons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12653828

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12653861

to cite only a couple.




joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
38. So what?
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:37 PM
May 2015

It's a fact Warren was an asset. That doesn't mean they agree on every single issue. Geez.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. *Of course* they do. HRC is one planned option for continuation of the corporate oligarchy.
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:39 AM
May 2015

The mask has come off the Third Way. The same war, economic, and police state policies continue under oligarchy, no matter which corporate puppet is elected. Right now we are observing the lining up of the corporate puppets for the 2016 selection.

Bernie Sanders is the wrench in those plans. That is why the Third Way is trying so hard to smear and marginalize him right out of the gate, despite years of lies and pretending to care about the same liberal principles he clearly stands for.

It is the civic duty of American citizens to speak honestly about the monied corruption in our system and to advocate against purchased candidates and for actual representatives of the people. We can't afford four more years of corporate predation.


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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
17. Then Sanders must be, too, because his supporters are crowing about the Obama staff members
Fri May 8, 2015, 02:51 AM
May 2015

that are moving over to the Sanders camp.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
18. I wouldn't worry.
Fri May 8, 2015, 03:02 AM
May 2015

Sanders' history suggests that he will purge any attempted corruption and infiltration from his ranks. And perhaps there are those from Obama's administration who are appalled at their own complicity in the corporate agenda and are honestly seeking a different direction. Unlike the carefully cultivated bait-and-switch candidate from Illinois, we won't see an administration of Geithners and Pritzkers from Bernie.

The best prediction of future behavior is past behavior. That's why the choice between the corporate Third Way candidate and Bernie Sanders is so clear.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
23. I'm not worried. I'm realistic. Sanders won't be able to get any legislation
Fri May 8, 2015, 05:20 AM
May 2015

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through a Congress that is much more conservative than he is, unless he makes the kind of compromises that his fervent supporters will hate.

As you say, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Sanders has spent much of his career in politics tilting at windmills, and that is likely to continue if he is President -- unless he decides to compromise and become a "sell-out."

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
28. I think it depends on what you choose to 'compromise' on.
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:11 AM
May 2015

There are actually things Republicans are for that the left is for to. They're just not generally the most visible. Look at the recent bipartisanship in sentiment on the justice system overreach.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
37. That would make sense except
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:22 PM
May 2015

we've already seen that the Rethugs have been completely willing to reverse themselves rather than agree to any legislation that would make Obama seem to be successful. Remember the ACA, the health care plan that the conservative Heritage foundation basically invented? The Rethugs were for it till a Democratic President decided to push for it, too. Remember Jim Demint saying that their only legislative goal was to obstruct anything Obama put forth?

They will even be more determined with a Bernie or Hillary administration; but at least her supporters won't condemn her for compromising where she can.

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
25. Obama ran two of the strongest campaigns in recent memory
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:07 AM
May 2015

I am glad that HRC is hiring Obama people

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. Out of that group, the only one I wish Bernie had snagged instead
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:09 AM
May 2015

was Teddy Goff. Bernie got a number of Obama's other computer people, but I'd have preferred him to make a clean sweep of the technical crowd.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
32. Not surprising TPTB want to maintain the status quo
Fri May 8, 2015, 08:30 AM
May 2015

and they are going to work towards electing the person they think is most likely to do that.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
34. Buzzfeed is heinous bullshit.
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:26 AM
May 2015

They deliver a lot of toxic political messages in candy-coated, focus-grouped pop culture packages.

It's not hard to see what kind of framing that story is trying to create.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
36. That's right, kill the messenger.
Fri May 8, 2015, 01:15 PM
May 2015


It's hypocritical to think it's wonderful when Obama staffers go to Bernie but terrible when they go to Hillary.

Autumn

(44,744 posts)
35. Bernie has added Obama staffers. I think that's a great idea as long as the one in charge
Fri May 8, 2015, 10:31 AM
May 2015

stays in charge. If either of them feel the need to add, say Dimon, Bernake or Summers that would be the deal breaker with me.

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