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Rex
(65,616 posts)Agree 100%.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Thanks for posting this in GD. Not everyone reads ATA. We'll see how it works out.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)flamebait posts are pretty easy to spot. DUers aren't stupid.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Intentions are pretty easy to read if one opens one's eyes... it really doesn't take much to infer the obvious, regardless of how one may rationalize it otherwise to better hide behind implication.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)That would stop most of it, I think.
pampango
(24,692 posts)of posts. Hiding personal attacks may be too much to hope for but I like the way you think.
War Horse
(931 posts)Of course a lengthy "what constitutes a personal attack" debate would probably follow...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)If someone posts 'John Kerry is a War Criminal and Not A Real Democrat.'
Clearly that's decisive bullshit, but if you get a plurality on a jury that have an agenda, 'justice' flies out the window.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)and some posters might think twice about posting it, which might lead to a decrease.
Worth a shot, anyway.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this is an interesting thread though, thinking it thru and listening to others.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Same for my example.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)The admins still feel that the jury system has been a big success. We look at it pretty much the same way you do: "not everyone agrees with every decision but that is the nice part: Not everyone has to. The system stochastically averages over different viewpoints...." Exactly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12597979
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Where's the love for ?
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red dog 1
(27,647 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Based on jury results that I've seen there are far too many people here who view 'divisive flamebaity crap' as positive discussion --- and at time that includes some pretty right-wing views on issues.
The most insidious interpretation of community standards though is when jurors allow shitty comments to stand because the comments were directed at someone the juror doesn't respect or like.
While I agree with Skinner's opinion, he's just writing an opinion like any other DUer rather than addressing the deficiencies in the moderation-by-jury system.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)example: A thread in which someone came after me. I finally alerted.
Not as much as
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6721217
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Power To The People is always disrespecting people from the anonymity of the internet. In real life if you talk that way to people you run the risk of getting punched in the face.
I scream "Leave It Alone" and proudly stand with Bobbie Jo and every poster who has been the victim of her verbal abuse.
demmiblue
(36,744 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,694 posts)Recently, though, it's resulted in a lot of 6 - 1 decisions to leave.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Then I question if I'm being too sensitive.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,694 posts)Apparently one person's divisive crap is another person's great post.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,694 posts)Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)So I'm not sure how it should be judged. Also many people judge something to be flamebait on whether they agree with the topic or not.
Spazito
(49,751 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)"Flamebait" is subjective
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,856 posts)As one member who often takes a break from here for a few days because of all the posts that basically assert that the Clintons and Obama are almost in league with the Tea Party and Koch Brothers, I may be a more judgmental juror from now on.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Cheerleading can be as much "flamebait" and divisive crap.
If I truly "cracked down" on disruptive posting, a lot of people wouldn't get to post at all. Without a healthy amount of original content, and some reasonable adherence to standards of logic, as well as a commitment to fact checking and sourcing, in the end a post becomes some variation of "flamebait".
At the core some people come here for the "safe haven" aspects. They want people to agree with them. Some people come here specifically to try to move peoples positions. And some people come here only for the tussle and bustle. They want people to disagree with them. The real problems start when the first group comes in contact with the third group.
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)but would be angry if posts cheerleading for Sanders were hidden.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)No, actually, I've really got no dog in that fight. There's plenty of cheerleading around here on a variety of candidates, and issues to some extent. I find the vast majority of it to be an invitation to hostility.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Much cheerleading is intended to criticize the critic. It can be back handed or obtuse, but it is the intent anyway.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Judgement of intent is a fundamental aspect of deciding that something is flamebait.
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)Positive threads about Democratic Underground or its members are are permitted.
Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)From this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12597979
Kudos to our Administrators for inventing a self-moderating forum.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)red dog 1
(27,647 posts)Warpy
(110,900 posts)and simply be able to hide all the ugliness of personality cult politics right off the bat.
If so many of us are sick of the Hillary War II bullshit now, what's it going to be like next year?
No wonder Democrats have been staying home instead of voting.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Hid a nasty disruptive post earlier today. Keep the alerts coming!
countryjake
(8,554 posts)It's been getting harder and harder to make any honest decisions on alerted posts, especially if one isn't engaged in the current brouhaha over Clinton and Sanders. Reading some of those threads has reminded me of watching a slam-bang cage-fight.
"Get hard-assed." I like that!
to Skinner!