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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI keep reading that not having god in school is why teens are so screwed up...
My sister posted on FB the horrible shape of teens and blamed it on lack of god in their lives.
I'm of the opinion that it's pretty much at the parents' feet plus the fact that teenagers are sometimes just crazy hormone-driven teenagers.
So what is up with this? Why blame not having a god for a reason why a person commits "sin" or whatever wrong they choose to do at any given moment? What is the matter with taking responsibility for your own actions or looking to the parents when a teenager jacks off, experiments with pot, has sex or whatever.
Anyone care to speculate on this?
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Teachers and staff cant hardly even look at a student without the potential for legal trouble, and the kids use that to get away with a lot of crap that wouldnt have been allowed (or even thought of) back 30 years ago.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I'd show you where but I purposely forgot where it was.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I think it covers a large area such as parenting, education, teenage-ishness, etc.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I'll leave it to the mods to make that determination. Alert if it will make you feel better.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)It's trotted out every 2 minutes by people who forgot that the past kind of sucked too.
It was trotted out when I was in high school and it's out now.
I don't honestly see any major difference between my cohort and current teenagers, except that I think the current group works harder, is smarter, is more sensitive and open minded than my own was.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)We've just got cooler stuff than before. I remember when it was said my generation was the worst ever and we were going to drag the country to hell...blah, blah, blah.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)Best way for people who want to do nothing for solving the ills of society to absolve themselves from everything.
The ultimate catch all cop out.
raccoon
(31,092 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The school prayer decisions came down in the early 1960s. There hasn't been (or shouldn't have been, at any rate) organized religion in the schools for 50 years. Years ago I was discussing this with my late mom, who was born in 1922 and went to school in a small town in NW Minnesota. She said that when she was growing up all the kids said was the Pledge of Allegiance - the pre "under god" pledge - each day and knew nobody who prayed in school.
NYC Liberal
(20,132 posts)They just can't have the school force it on everyone else, which is what these fundies/right-wingers are really complaining about.
Mariana
(14,849 posts)Many Christians, fundie and otherwise, fervently believe that students are strictly prohibited from praying in school at any time. It may even be a majority of Christians that believe that.
Drale
(7,932 posts)If its not a lack of god, its video games or sugar or hundreds of other things. 99.99% of the time its the parents fault.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's my answer.
When people want to put "god in schools", I wonder why they want to limit it to just one.
The more the merrier!
Drale
(7,932 posts)I used to praise the Norse Gods in High School just to piss off the Bible-thumpers. lol
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)LaurenG
(24,841 posts)Taking a teenager to church doesn't keep kids out of each others pants, or their own for that matter. I recently had my teen-aged grandchild living with me and the rules were do not hurt yourself or others and no casual sex. It meant something to her that I cared enough to help her learn about setting good boundaries. I think training kids to respect themselves is something they learn at home. I'm no expert though it just worked that way for my kids.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)There is nothing wrong with teens except that THEY ARE TEENS.
Every generation tries to blame "what is wrong with teens" on something. Dime store novels, comic books, video games, Rock and Roll, all have been blamed for the "problems with teens".
I guess we can add "lack of god" to the list.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Religion has no monopoly on what is right and what is wrong.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)than take responsibility that you failed as a parent
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I think the teens are screwed up is BS. They are no more screwed up than any other age group now and no more or less screwed up than teens before them.
And since I disagree with the premise, I also think the "god" part is BS.
Many teens have "god". Many teens do not.
Many teens around the world have god and turn out great and many around the world don't and also turn out great. And the reverse is also true.
Sometimes we need to just call BS when BS is told to us.
Or else we end up posting things like kids chewing gum was the main problems schools had in the 1950's. BS as it turned out. But if you accept these premises you often are unwittingly accepting BS.
So question it. It's the most useful thing you can do.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)They're screwed up, so they don't believe in god -- which is the reason that they're so screwed up!
--imm
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)if a child has god in his heart (this is for believers) then god is in that school all day long with that child.
if a parent cannot convey this to the child, then it truly says something baout the parents ability. that being said
i think there are a lot of social factors going on with our kids. there are so many things in their life today, that children have never had. it is a big boiling vat of an experiment and who knows what the repercussions or rewards be.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)They are given a Bronze-Age code of ethics to live during the information age.
Unlike adults, they aren't as adept at compartmentalizing.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)god=authority
So, the top local god is the principal. The next local god of note is the teacher.
Those who have no authority, are by definition godless, thus,
students=godless.
The right seems to be saying that students need to have authority, in order that they won't be godless. The hypocrisy is that the right fails to demonstrate this principal in their religious schools, granting the same godless status to students.
Rex
(65,616 posts)All started after it was abolished imo.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)You think teens went to hell because they stopped using wooden boards on their asses?
Tikki
(14,539 posts)on teens.
Best talk about life with young ones, not just talk at them.
Tikki
montanto
(2,966 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,061 posts)I can assure your sister that teens in religious schools are as bad, if not worse than teens in schools where "God" is not shoved down their throats. The kids in the religious schools do the same things as their public school counterparts. The difference is that they are just better at covering it up.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,355 posts)no doubt.
get the red out
(13,459 posts)I see those posts all the time on FB, it's a baseball bat the right uses to beat the left with, hoping to seem less obvious about it.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I say BS. All this constant god and praying does it turn kids OFF to it. I swore when I graduated I would never subject my own children to this, and I didn't. That is why I sent them to public school. So where can people escape it if they put "god back in public education"?.