Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:51 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
I MUST Give Hillary All The Credit In The World For What She's
had to go through, and while many will disagree with me, what I saw go on today has cemented my support for BERNIE SANDERS!
If Clinton becomes President I feel so very strongly that the grid lock WILL NEVER END! I've had it, they're crazy with hate and obstruction and it's ruining this country and dragging us down to hell! I've just HAD IT! GO BERNIE!
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ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | OP |
DinahMoeHum | Oct 2015 | #1 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #7 | |
Agschmid | Oct 2015 | #14 | |
AndreaCG | Oct 2015 | #22 | |
eridani | Oct 2015 | #31 | |
enough | Oct 2015 | #2 | |
Art_from_Ark | Oct 2015 | #27 | |
katsy | Oct 2015 | #3 | |
Adrahil | Oct 2015 | #4 | |
aquart | Oct 2015 | #5 | |
Art_from_Ark | Oct 2015 | #28 | |
aquart | Oct 2015 | #32 | |
Art_from_Ark | Oct 2015 | #34 | |
aquart | Nov 2015 | #37 | |
spanone | Oct 2015 | #6 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #8 | |
book_worm | Oct 2015 | #9 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #11 | |
Art_from_Ark | Oct 2015 | #29 | |
denbot | Oct 2015 | #10 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #12 | |
denbot | Oct 2015 | #18 | |
Kingofalldems | Oct 2015 | #13 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #16 | |
72DejaVu | Oct 2015 | #15 | |
Bleacher Creature | Oct 2015 | #19 | |
ms liberty | Oct 2015 | #17 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #20 | |
Art_from_Ark | Oct 2015 | #30 | |
sub.theory | Oct 2015 | #21 | |
smirkymonkey | Oct 2015 | #23 | |
ecstatic | Oct 2015 | #24 | |
pnwmom | Oct 2015 | #25 | |
Justice | Oct 2015 | #26 | |
dsc | Oct 2015 | #33 | |
Lyric | Oct 2015 | #35 | |
ChiciB1 | Oct 2015 | #36 | |
aquart | Nov 2015 | #38 |
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:53 PM
DinahMoeHum (21,392 posts)
1. Excuse me, but they'll go after Bernie in the same way. . .
. . .they'll do it to any Democrat in the WH.
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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #1)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:06 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
7. I DO NOT Believe That Because Of The Baggage Clinton
brings with her. A very long history of being in the top echelon of Political Society. There was NO NAME mentioned MORE than Hillary from the get go. They have been primed to go after her and the rest of the pack that essentially McCarthy made the gaff and said so.
They NEVER dreamed there would be a BERNIE! They put all their arrows in one quiver and it's going to take quite some time to build another super coalition against Bernie. In time they will be obstructionists as always, but I'm seeing this country YEARNING for anything else than what we have. There ARE some Repukes who don't like what's going on, but not a squeak out of them Our very own Democratic Party isn't even working for US because they too are beholden to Wall Street. It will take time, but "we the people" can get new people elected, but to stay with the likes of DEBBIE WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ, there will be far less Democrats after 2016. I'm one of them! I live in FL so have to remain a Democrat until after the primaries, but I will NO LONGER fall on my sword to get gored again. I may HAVE to vote for her if she's the nominee because of the Supreme Court, but it will be one unhappy vote! Yep, pretty harsh I know... just have had enough. And I'm a Boomer and have been a part of many elections. My heart and gut says there's NO OTHER WAY! |
Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #7)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:22 PM
Agschmid (28,749 posts)
14. They will go after any democratic president.
It is literally what they do.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #7)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:47 AM
AndreaCG (2,331 posts)
22. Communist/Socialist, Anti-Semitism and ageism
Will be specifics used against Bernie if he is the nominee. Plus all the usual garbage they throw at all Democrats. Don't be naive and think they'll exempt him. That's why it's necessary for all democrats to unite for the general election, just as the administrators of this site intended when they set it up.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #7)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:25 AM
eridani (51,907 posts)
31. The baggage is mostly generated by Republicans
Whitewater was total bullshit, and it somehow morphed into an examination of Bill's sex life. I have littel interest in who officeholders are screwing--unless it happens to be the public.
And it really is true that they'll do the same to any Democrat. The utter disrespect they have shown to Obama makes that perfectly clear, and he certainly isn't radical. |
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:55 PM
enough (13,093 posts)
2. I'm a Sanders supporter also, but I see absolutely no reason to think that the Republicans will
behave any differently with a President Sanders than they have with President Obama or would with President Hillary Clinton.
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Response to enough (Reply #2)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:16 AM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
27. Bernie has been called the "Dealmaker of the Senate"
Last edited Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:49 AM - Edit history (2) http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/socialist-sanders-legislates-va-healthcare-deal/
And the Almanac of American Politics calls Sanders a "practical and successful legislator." He knows how to get things he wants from those bozos. And he's a crusty old fighter who won't put up with their shit. |
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:56 PM
katsy (4,246 posts)
3. Bernie's my 1st choice
but to think there will be anything but gridlock with this congress is naive.
We will secure Supreme Court appts should any come up. We will have a sane foreign policy. But unless we gotv the midterms... we will just barely keep the ship of state upright. We need to get rid of the crazy tea party. I don't know how long that will take. |
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:59 PM
Adrahil (13,340 posts)
4. Nothing wrong with your opinion, but...
make no mistake... if Bernie were to get the nod, this is what is in store for him. This is the way they operate.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:00 PM
aquart (69,014 posts)
5. How can you possibly think they won't do this to Bernie Sanders?
They haven't lobbed so much as a feather at him. They WANT to run against Bernie.
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Response to aquart (Reply #5)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:18 AM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
28. They don't want to run against Bernie
He is leading all of their Klown Kar Kandidates.
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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #28)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:00 PM
aquart (69,014 posts)
32. I repeat, they haven't attacked him.
Bernie is weak on foreign policy. Worse, his strengths are downright dangerous in foreign affairs. He is uncompromisingly straightforward, for which I love him, but foreign policy requires a far twistier soul and the ability to deal with the devil while smiling.
Hillary warmly shook Trey Gowdy's slimy hand. I couldn't. Bernie could, but I don't think he could smile while he did it. Still, the GOP is so delusional that their attacks could win him the election. I would not hate seeing Bernie in the White House. How could I? I'd love to see someone take a hatchet to the banks. I WANT you to vote for Bernie in the primaries. I want Hillary to win but I want it so close that the bulk of pressure on her will be from the left. Hillary's strength has been forged in fire. Bernie caved to the gun lobby. (Understand, Hillary never had to because NY is a strong gun control state. Hillary had to support Wall Street, Israel, armed response to 9/11.) |
Response to aquart (Reply #32)
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:20 AM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
34. Hillary is no better on foreign policy
In fact, she is probably worse
"We came, we saw, he died" ![]() "Hey, even some people in Iran wouldn't mind if we started a war against Iran" (*Laugh*) ![]() "Let's set up a no-fly zone over Syria!" ![]() Her mentor is Henry Freaking Kissinger, for crying out loud ![]() |
Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #34)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:33 PM
aquart (69,014 posts)
37. It seems to me you don't hear much when you listen.
But I could be wrong. Lots of people think international relations are no different from national relations.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:02 PM
spanone (134,452 posts)
6. they will turn their hate / shitstorm on Bernie if he gets the nod.
it doesn't matter who the democratic nominee is.
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Response to spanone (Reply #6)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:08 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
8. I'm Willing To Gamble Because I Already Know What The Cards
look like in my hands. I gave me reasons here.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:10 PM
book_worm (15,951 posts)
9. You don't think they won't try and impeach Bernie or start HUAC
hearings claiming that he and his administration are commies? They will go after any Democrat.
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Response to book_worm (Reply #9)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:18 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
11. I'm Very Aware Of What "Might" Happen, But I
want something new to find out. And I DO think the younger generation has begun to see what's going on. I have 2 grand children who are voting age and they've said enough of Bush or Clinton. I know what I'm hearing from them and their friends because we live very close to each other.
We here are junkies, they need to see something else. Sure the crazies won't ever stop but I sincerely believe that Bernie will be able to get rid of some of our very OWN hard core DLC types and elect real Democrats. What is happening now is just getting worse, just the mere "feeling" of making a real change in a completely different direction can't be all that bad. I look forward to it. I KNOW who Hillary is connected to, and BIG MONEY Wall Street isn't the way I can play anymore. |
Response to book_worm (Reply #9)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:19 AM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
29. HUAC hearings?
This ain't 1954, and Joe McCarthy has been dead for decades.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:15 PM
denbot (9,871 posts)
10. Christ reincarnate would be vilified by these assholes
They would go apeshit over Bernie. I seriously think they will be harder on a president Sanders, than another President Clinton.
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Response to denbot (Reply #10)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:20 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
12. So Your Vote Is Yours To Cast, Go For It. n/t
Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #12)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:32 PM
denbot (9,871 posts)
18. Gee, really!?!?
I had no idea my vote was my own to cast. Thank you so much for that insight.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:20 PM
Kingofalldems (37,646 posts)
13. They'll go after him even harder.
Don't be fooled by these people.
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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #13)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:31 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
16. Not Going To Argue My Point All Night, Said What I Had To Say..
I'm aware of how they work, what they do, and there MUST be a way to wake this country up because this Democratic Party is just as much to blame. I think he has gotten the ear of millions of people and they want something else. I include BOTH Parties.
I'm one very unhappy American who simply won't do the same thing again. It remains to be seen, but I WILL NOT be happy with Clinton. Throw what you want at me, I've already had too many sleepless nights. Status Quo... NO MORE! Crap shoot or not! |
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:25 PM
72DejaVu (1,545 posts)
15. That's called "enabling"
Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #15)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:43 PM
Bleacher Creature (11,160 posts)
19. This wins.
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:32 PM
ms liberty (7,850 posts)
17. I still support Bernie, but Hillary rocked the house today...
I didn't see or hear it all, some at lunch and then this evening, but she handled it really well. She definitely won this encounter, and it was a beautiful thing.
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Response to ms liberty (Reply #17)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:47 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
20. I Do Agree, She Was Great No Doubt... Kudos, But
I'm sure you've heard of the old saying "You need to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything!" I've said it thousands and thousands of times. I realize when FDR ran it was a different time, but it's THIS time now and I'm ready to try to be part of the solution. Because if we don't break this syndrome, of all the monied people now, it just grows ands grows and gets worse.
Even after FDR was elected he had to fight with everything he had to make SOCIALIST CHANGES! They did hate him, but in the end this country started a great recovery. I'm NO Pollyanna, it's going to be damned hard so if I stand alone at least I stand for what I believe. I've said it over and over, my eyes are open wide about what may happen. But I NEED to believe the people of this country are willing to put up a fight that I think is worth fighting for. America is no longer a shining beacon to so many other countries and if we aren't willing to change we deserve all the negativity they're throwing at us. OKAY, that's it... I'm not unhinged or stupid. I am DISGUSTED! |
Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #20)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:25 AM
Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)
30. There were two factions of Southern Democrats in the Senate in FDR's day
One was the Carter Glass (D-Va) faction, which opposed a lot of New Deal programs. The other was the Joseph T. Robinson (D-Ark) faction, which supported most of the New Deal programs. Glass referred to New Deal programs as "Hitlerianism"
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:48 PM
sub.theory (652 posts)
21. Most disgusting farce I've ever seen in Congressional hearings
That kangaroo court farce is the lowest I've ever seen Congress stoop in a hearing. The Republicans somehow managed to top the Clinton impeachment. Lord, are they ever scared of the Clintons.
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Response to sub.theory (Reply #21)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:22 AM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
23. I agree. God, they must hate them with a white hot passion considering how fiercely
they go after them - with our tax dollars, mind you. What is it about the Clintons that frightens them so much? I am a Bernie supporter, but if Hillary gets the nomination I will vote for her over a republican. They make me absolutely sick in their hypocrisy. Hillary really held up well against them. I must say I have a new found respect for her.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:26 AM
ecstatic (31,785 posts)
24. Wrong forum.
And don't kid yourself. The elected repubs are a hateful bunch who oppose progress.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:27 AM
pnwmom (108,305 posts)
25. You will end up just as disappointed as previous true believers have been.
Any true believer for any candidate will feel betrayed when his preferred President has to face the same flawed political process as every other President.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:08 AM
Justice (7,140 posts)
26. Hillary uniquely qualified to break GOP.
Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:20 PM
dsc (51,930 posts)
33. So what did Obama do that caused the GOP to literally on day 1
refuse to work with him?
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:24 AM
Lyric (12,675 posts)
35. Support who you will, but the psychos on the right will treat Bernie no differently.
It's going to be gridlock no matter WHICH Democrat gets elected. At least Clinton has the potential to garner some sympathy for being constantly attacked as a stand-in for her husband (who is the true target of GOP hatred). America will get tired of that crap REAL fast.
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Response to Lyric (Reply #35)
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:54 PM
ChiciB1 (15,435 posts)
36. Thank You For Your Input...
Have a nice day.
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Response to ChiciB1 (Original post)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:40 PM
aquart (69,014 posts)
38. Gridlock is a tactic used against Democrats by Republicans.
It will continue until Democrats and "independents" get off their smug asses and VOTE IN NON-PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
I don't give a damn who you vote for in primary as long as you remember you're a Dem in November. But your hated gridlock is a direct result of stayjng home in "off year" elections and it ain't Hillary's fault. It's ours. |