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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:46 AM Nov 2015

Michael Moore on Facebook: "I am going to defy your ban and will offer MY home..."

Dear Gov. Snyder:

I just wanted to let you know that, contrary to your declaration of denying Syrian refugees a home in our state of Michigan, I myself am going to defy your ban and will offer MY home in Traverse City, Michigan, to those very Syrian refugees you've decided to keep out. I will contact the State Department to let them know I am happy to provide a safe haven to any Syrian refugee couple approved by the Obama administration's vetting procedures in which I have full faith and trust.

Your action is not only disgraceful, it is, as you know, unconstitutional (only the President has the legal right to decide things like this).

What you've done is anti-American. This is not who we are supposed to be. We are, for better and for worse, a nation of descendants of three groups: slaves from Africa who were brought here in chains and then forced to provide trillions of dollars of free labor to build this country; native peoples who were mostly exterminated by white Christians through acts of mass genocide; and immigrants from EVERYWHERE around the globe. In Michigan we are fortunate to count amongst us tens of thousands of Arab and Muslim Americans.

I'm disappointed in you, Governor Snyder, for your heartless and un-Christian actions, and for joining in with at least 25 other governors (all but one a Republican) who've decided to block legal Syrian refugees from coming into their states. Fortunately I'm an American and not a Republican.

Governor, count me out of whatever you think it means to be a Michigander. I look forward to welcoming Syrians to my home and I wholeheartedly encourage other Americans to do the same.

Michael Moore

P.S. By the way, my 700-sq. ft. apartment in northern Michigan is a little small, but it's got cable, wi-fi and a new dishwasher! Also, no haters live on my floor! Stop by any time for a hot chocolate this winter.

https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/?fref=nf

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Michael Moore on Facebook: "I am going to defy your ban and will offer MY home..." (Original Post) Hissyspit Nov 2015 OP
makes me smile handmade34 Nov 2015 #1
The piece about how this nation was built is gospel smorkingapple Nov 2015 #2
Mr. Moore, from the bottom of my heart, fuck off! Quackers Nov 2015 #3
Harsh much? Octafish Nov 2015 #4
Misplaced anger much? marmar Nov 2015 #7
Heed you own advice lobodons Nov 2015 #8
What's the purpose of your post? You really want to make it personal? Quackers Nov 2015 #22
I too would pretend my original post was impersonal LanternWaste Nov 2015 #35
Yours was an intimately personal slander of Michael Moore. delrem Nov 2015 #64
I take it... Oilwellian Nov 2015 #9
The government wouldn't allow me. Quackers Nov 2015 #33
Lacking any objective evidence to support that faith-based belief LanternWaste Nov 2015 #36
Taking into account Quackers Nov 2015 #39
Bullshit: "The government would never allow him to do it." You can't cite any credible Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #78
I take it that he's SHAMING his governor. I'm down with that. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #47
Michael Moore isn't making an anonymous claim. delrem Nov 2015 #65
Really? ejbr Nov 2015 #10
If I believed he was genuinely offering to help, it would be different. Quackers Nov 2015 #24
You're welcome ejbr Nov 2015 #40
You don't have much ground to stand on re: making it personal... Thor_MN Nov 2015 #82
It MIGHT be more appropriate for him to stop making the issue so partisan. sibelian Nov 2015 #28
By rejecting ALL Syrians, ejbr Nov 2015 #41
Yes, I think that's not a good approach either... sibelian Nov 2015 #42
I appreciate where you are coming from, ejbr Nov 2015 #46
Well, OK. Thank you. sibelian Nov 2015 #48
Geez... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #12
Wow, thanks for making it personal... Quackers Nov 2015 #34
Despite any potential problems with his reason, he is still doing way more for refugees than most. LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #13
But is he? Quackers Nov 2015 #37
Wow, that was an incredibly dumb thing to post. Darb Nov 2015 #14
bravo.... dhill926 Nov 2015 #18
That is a photo of his Traverse City home, the home to which he is welcoming refugees. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #15
Actually, it's not. Quackers Nov 2015 #27
Michael Moore is a rare case of what we call a PATRIOT, and a very courageous one at that randys1 Nov 2015 #31
Stupid thing to say. closeupready Nov 2015 #16
That's the reaction NBC wants you to have. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #17
Michael earned his money from hard work elmac Nov 2015 #20
Well said. narnian60 Nov 2015 #29
... Javaman Nov 2015 #21
He's going through a divorce zalinda Nov 2015 #23
Syrians and privacy generalchaos Nov 2015 #53
I rather agree. sibelian Nov 2015 #26
I dont know of anytime he has gone off half cocked, and you think refugees are going randys1 Nov 2015 #51
Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff!!!!!!! sibelian Nov 2015 #57
sigh randys1 Nov 2015 #58
Why did you bother asking, then? sibelian Nov 2015 #59
No refugees are terrorists, none, and on the RARE chance there was one, our randys1 Nov 2015 #60
And how do YOU know THAT? sibelian Nov 2015 #61
Thank you for this subthread. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #71
UUUUUGH it's so exhausting. They want great big simple problems sibelian Nov 2015 #74
I don't even like him. 840high Nov 2015 #56
Hm, I DO like him, but I can see why some people wouldn't. sibelian Nov 2015 #80
To me he's a total 1%-er. 840high Nov 2015 #85
.... hm, well. sibelian Nov 2015 #89
you will, of course, post this on his actual page, yes? niyad Nov 2015 #54
...+1 840high Nov 2015 #55
Perhaps you should listen to your own heart... truebrit71 Nov 2015 #66
How do you know where he meant to house his Syrian refugees passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #67
From his Post Script on his statement. Quackers Nov 2015 #70
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #68
Logic fails you. Prominent people should speak up. It's called leadership. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #79
Haters got to hate fasttense Nov 2015 #81
Just shared on FB. ananda Nov 2015 #5
Happy to K&R.. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #6
K & R nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #11
My Own View Is That . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #19
Governors can't ban refugees from coming into their state anyway frazzled Nov 2015 #25
From Indiana Powers Hapgood Nov 2015 #30
Welcome to DU fellow Hoosier LittleGirl Nov 2015 #72
Howdy from the Hoosier Heartland Powers Hapgood Nov 2015 #75
land of the fighting Irish! LittleGirl Nov 2015 #76
Hmmm . . . Powers Hapgood Nov 2015 #77
ooo, too too cold for me eom LittleGirl Nov 2015 #83
Oh, Michael. (sigh...) You're a lovely guy, okay? I think you're amazing. sibelian Nov 2015 #32
.... obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2015 #43
What would you like to know? sibelian Nov 2015 #44
Thanks obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2015 #45
Nothing to say to you, then. sibelian Nov 2015 #49
No, but the stupid reactions and talking points of many are looking just like the early 2000s. Hissyspit Nov 2015 #50
Yes. And the dumb responses to those dumb talking points... sibelian Nov 2015 #87
Humph! Snyder was all for refugees just last month. KamaAina Nov 2015 #38
Good for him! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #52
I hope he also opens his home to folks in need bigwillq Nov 2015 #62
I thought this was a Democratic site? llmart Nov 2015 #63
You've a point for sure, Snyder's a dick but Mike's being silly sibelian Nov 2015 #88
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #69
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #73
What about all the forgeries? MichMan Nov 2015 #84
Way more useful and patriotic JEB Nov 2015 #86

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
2. The piece about how this nation was built is gospel
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:03 AM
Nov 2015

We tend to forget our history.

Not to mention the moral obligation we have because we broke the Middle East

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
3. Mr. Moore, from the bottom of my heart, fuck off!
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015

You use people to further your own self interest. You seriously make me want to vomit. Oh and in regards to Syrian refugees squeezing into your "700-sq foot apartment", maybe you could've spoke up and offered your vacation home to them.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Harsh much?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:23 AM
Nov 2015

Michael Moore is one of the few people I know of who's made a movie standing up to the traitors who lied America into war.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
22. What's the purpose of your post? You really want to make it personal?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

There have been other posters who like MM as much as you, yet they didn't make it personal...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. I too would pretend my original post was impersonal
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:17 PM
Nov 2015

I too would pretend my original post was impersonal to better indict the personal posts of others. The convenience that comes from holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to is often immeasurable...

delrem

(9,688 posts)
64. Yours was an intimately personal slander of Michael Moore.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:06 PM
Nov 2015

There's no ground whatever for your complaint against someone asking you to look in the mirror.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
33. The government wouldn't allow me.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:14 PM
Nov 2015

But I have worked with the Syrians, the Iraqis, and the Jordanians while in Iraq and on the borders of the other nations. I'm not upset about helping them, I think they need our help, I'm upset because I think MM is using this as an opportunity to promote himself. Just like me, the government won't allow him to house refugees and he knows it. He made an empty promise to help.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
36. Lacking any objective evidence to support that faith-based belief
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:18 PM
Nov 2015

"I'm upset because I think MM is using this as an opportunity to promote himself..."

Lacking any objective evidence to support that faith-based belief, it would appear you're predicated your anger on guess-work.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
39. Taking into account
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:27 PM
Nov 2015

His line of work, his current financial hardships due to his divorce, and the fact that the government would never allow him to do it, is it really a stretch to believe that his post to Facebook was done to make himself look good?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,789 posts)
78. Bullshit: "The government would never allow him to do it." You can't cite any credible
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:32 AM
Nov 2015

I call bullshit on your statement: "The government would never allow him to do it." You can't cite any credible reference about a law or regulation that would hold water, let alone pass constitutional muster, that would prevent him from housing a Syrian refugee couple as guests.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
65. Michael Moore isn't making an anonymous claim.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:22 PM
Nov 2015

I don't particularly like Michael Moore's art, which centers too much on his persona (and this is merely my opinion about something extremely nebulous) , but I do like his message.
I think perhaps you look at his message in a jaundiced light.

The actual message, though, is one that I'd like to see reverberate and be repeated, and in general I think it's time for US Americans to have a change of heart. Perhaps taking in refugees from your own illegal and immoral wars of choice, your ever expanding "War of Terror", would be a good start. Something concrete, something to build on. As opposed to "kill the messenger"?

ejbr

(5,852 posts)
10. Really?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

It would be better for him to just allow the universal shunning of Syrian refugees than present this modest offer? Really?

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
24. If I believed he was genuinely offering to help, it would be different.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:03 PM
Nov 2015

This crises didn't just start. He knows there is no-way in hell that Syrian refugees are getting here without government approval. He's making an empty promise to help and using the refugees suffering to prop it up. I guess what really upset me was how he pointed out how small and humble his place is, yet he owned that huge vacation house that has since been ordered away by the court. Btw, thanks for not making this personal like some others have.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
82. You don't have much ground to stand on re: making it personal...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

And even less on this crisis not just starting. Please cite governors stating that they would refuse to house Syrian refugees prior to the Paris attacks.

How would he be able to offer a house that, as you state, has been ordered away by the court?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
28. It MIGHT be more appropriate for him to stop making the issue so partisan.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015

There are TWO problems, not one:

1. Syrina refugees are suffering and need our help
2. A tiny proportion of them are potentally Not Going To Be Our Best Mates.

It's ridiculous to pretend there's a simple way of looking at this. We need to get a grip.

ejbr

(5,852 posts)
41. By rejecting ALL Syrians,
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

The Governor has offered just one solution to both problems. Some don't believe each problem should have the same, simplistic answer as denying all refugees without concern for the well-being of the innocent

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
42. Yes, I think that's not a good approach either...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)

But we have been told by ISIS to expect terrorists, so if all solutions to that are equally Islamophobic, when do we ever get to respond to ISIS as if they're actually terrorists who are actually telling the truth?

I think Michael's being very nice. I don't think he's being tremendously sensible.

What we need is a way of seperating radicals from Syrians.

What would that be?



Telling everybody all Muslims are "the same" isn't it, from either side.

ejbr

(5,852 posts)
46. I appreciate where you are coming from,
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

However he did qualify his guests as fully vetted by Obama so I'm not sure how to answer

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
48. Well, OK. Thank you.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:29 PM
Nov 2015

I have to say that there is another strand to this whole story which is very diffcult to get round, it's possible that ISIS are making these claims just to play games with the Western media, which seems to be a substantial part of the modus operandi. So me or you taking them at face value is problematic in itself. We HAVE had terrorist attacks, and we really can't expect ourselves not to try to protect our own people as well as those from the ME who are desperately trying to escape the effect of that organisation.

I was very heartened by recent threads on reddit from Muslims saying how awful they took the attacks. Very honest, very open, very human, very real. I think we need a lot more of that. I know it's very troubling for me to demand things from Muslims, but at the same time, it really does make a big difference, I feel.

I've made this point on Discussionist severaltimes, the people who are being hurt most by all this are Muslims, and I'm not talking about the ones that end up on our shores. I keep a look-out on Youtube for ISIS behaviour and some of the things they are doing in the ME are just utterly grotesque. They are a horrible, horrible movement and they hate Mulsims deviating by a whisker from their tenets with a passion bordering on insanity. It's far more real and direct than their hate of the West.

We have a tendency to look at almost everything as nice simple dichotomies that reflect our own personal heroic narratives and the roles we want to play in them. I think it's VERY dangerous.

Don't get me wrong. Mike's OK by me, I think he's a treasure.

I just think we have to be extremely careful not to play into the hands of the potential police state manufacturers OR ISIS. In some senses it's like they're on the same side.

LostOne4Ever

(9,267 posts)
13. Despite any potential problems with his reason, he is still doing way more for refugees than most.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:55 AM
Nov 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I will gladly defend a person like that anyday.[/font]

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
37. But is he?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:21 PM
Nov 2015

He knows that he made an offer which the government won't allow him to keep. Imo, he is doing this for publicity. The refugees need help, not public figures that use their plight for self-gain.

Thank you for not making this personal like some others have.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
14. Wow, that was an incredibly dumb thing to post.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:59 AM
Nov 2015

Making money is not against the law and not against what most of the posters on DU believe. Unbridled, unearned, dishonest acquisition of wealth and being a selfish Koch-like piece of shit is another matter. You want to lose elections, keep with this "we all gotta have the same" schtick, because we don't. We need more equality of opportunity, and we need a floor to how low people can sink and no lower. And that floor needs to be at a point that a person can live without fear of not having a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs and a decent enough income to live in a decent manner. A living wage is a must. A decent retirement is vital. But along the way, if someone honestly and fairly earns more wealth than most, good for them.

Whining about what Michael Moore has is stupid, because he has done much good in the world. I hope you have done some good, because you seem pretty high and mighty.

Tread smartly.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. That is a photo of his Traverse City home, the home to which he is welcoming refugees.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:12 AM
Nov 2015

Mike is the most successful documentary filmmaker of all time. You expect his house to be a dump? His box office grosses are a matter of public record, they are massive.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
27. Actually, it's not.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:08 PM
Nov 2015

This was just his vacation home. In his post, he claims that his apartment is only 700 square feet. You make a good point about his take from his movies. That is why I said what I did. I think he made an empty promise, knowing there's no way to keep it without the government allowing it, just to get publicity.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
31. Michael Moore is a rare case of what we call a PATRIOT, and a very courageous one at that
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

I have the same attitude about patriotism as John Lennon had, pretty much, but I know a fucking patriot when I see one.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
17. That's the reaction NBC wants you to have.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:16 PM
Nov 2015

Don't be emotionally manipulated by corporate media.

No one is perfect.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
20. Michael earned his money from hard work
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:34 PM
Nov 2015

He wasn't born with a silver spoon stuck up his wazoo like most successful republicans. He has always been there for the workers of America and always will be. He speaks truth through his movies, something you will never find in the network news. Michael Moore is a great American and I hope he has continued success while entertaining us with the truth.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
23. He's going through a divorce
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

not everything is his to give. Besides the Syrian couple would most likely like privacy, rather than feel like they are intruding into someone's home.

Z

generalchaos

(2 posts)
53. Syrians and privacy
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:14 PM
Nov 2015

They probably want company! And the sort of privacy you refer to is more American than you realize. In most other countries people are used to sharing small quarters. I'm willing to bet Mrs. Moore is the one getting the big house, and Michael Moore did say he has a small apartment. No doubt the former mrs. doesn't have to "give" anything. If he has a bedroom he can let them use it, or give them a corner of the living room like any generous home-sharer would.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
26. I rather agree.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:07 PM
Nov 2015

Nice sentiment, but it muddies the waters.

We have been told to expect terrorists by ISIS themselves.

We need a solution, not sloganeering or grandstanding.

I like him, but he does have a habit of going off half-cocked.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. I dont know of anytime he has gone off half cocked, and you think refugees are going
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

to include ISIS do you?

So you have no faith in our exhaustive screening process?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
57. Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffff!!!!!!!
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:05 PM
Nov 2015

NO I have no faith in any kind of exhaustive screening process because nobody in Homeland Security has yet invented TELEPATHY. FFS. Some of the Islamic terrorist attacks in the West have been carried out by people WHO HAVE ALWAYS LIVED HERE.

I don't know what the refugee population is going to contain, ISIS have said that it will contain terrorists, ISIS are terrorists, they want to commit terrorist acts on the West, they hate the West, they say so, what do YOU think?

I suppose they could just be dicking with our brains... GUESS WHAT, some people outside the West are ALSO bad people.

Ridiculous question randy, you're ISIS, OK, you hate westerners, what are YOU gonna do? You're treating them like children. They're NOT.

Whacking the hornet's nest is stupid, STUPID, of course it is, this is the second part of the story where the hornets are now actually stinging us, clasping hands together and saying "oh, you poor hornets it's all our fault, your bruised little wings are so broken and torn, STING ME STING ME" is WAAAAY STUPIDER, that's abandoning responsibility for yourself TWICE.

The Parisian victims DID NOT deserve to die. How may more innocent people have to get slaughtered before ISIS are actually BAD? The Koran itself forbids this behaviour!!!!!

I think the solution is for Muslims to disown ISIS again and again. And I can't demand it from them. Of course not. It has to come from them publically and demonstrably because it's what they actually think, if it's coerced from them it will be MEANINGLESS.

It's ORDINARY MUSLIMS that will save us from Islamic terrorism by showing the terrorists that their way is WRONG. It's the IDEA that has to be defeated. Our deliverance from the War on Terror will come from ordinary Mulsims, that is my firm belief. It starts when THEY start it, and they have, already! They are wiser than us.

All this waving of flags and huffing and puffing and looking tough is pointless we don't really have that much control over them.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
59. Why did you bother asking, then?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:16 PM
Nov 2015

If you can't be bothered to respond sensibly?

You're seriously telling me that you buy this self absorbed nonsense that the West actually CONTROLS EVERYTHING, because that's what the "we're responsible for the terrorists" actually rests on. It's actually just Western hubris as much as anything else. Of course we've contributed to the pitiful state to the ME, it's dreadful, but it's nonsense to suppose that there are singular monolithic factors building the process.

Certain Irish people have been terrorists when their country was oppressed, everybody was horrible to the Irish on the UK mainland when the Troubles were in full swing. Did they deserve that? NO. Was the terrorism still terrorism and were the terrorists still assholes? YES.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
60. No refugees are terrorists, none, and on the RARE chance there was one, our
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:25 PM
Nov 2015

EXHAUSTIVE screening process will weed them out.

You see I am a former christian, so therefore to help 100,000 people I believe it is worth taking the risk that one of them might be a bad apple.

By former I mean that I do know what a Christian is supposed to do, I know what Muslims would do if it was us in need.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
61. And how do YOU know THAT?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:53 PM
Nov 2015

YOU DON'T.

Weed out NOTHING. It ALREADY doesn't do anything. HOW does it weed them out?

"Excuse me sir, are you a terrorist?"

"No"

You can't weed out people's BEHAVIOUR.

Have you no understanding of what I'm saying to you, I'm not saying we shouldn't try to control it, I'm saying we CAN'T. The idea that we can is WRONG.

The only people who can stop terrorism are the terrorists.

You tap phones - they just don't use phones. You monitor the Internet, fine, they don't use it. You make associative webs of influence and look for patterns, they just distribute themselves away from the network and work in isolation. The only solution WE could use is a blanket ban on immigration from the ME. And it would have to apply to ALL Muslim immigrants, not just refugees! It would be legislatively and bureacratically impossible apart from anything else. Attacks are going to to happen ANYWAY, the only reason it hasn't happened again in the States is because the terrorists don't gain anything in that scenario. They already GETTING bombed by the States, that's what they WANT. There's no need for another attack on US soil, the US is already playing the game. That's IT.

We're richer than them, we're safer than them, we're more stable than the region they come from, we can take responsibility for their bodies, we can take responsibility for their safety, we can take responsibility for their continued existence, we CAN'T take responsibility for their NUTTERS.

OF COURSE some of them are going to be terrorists.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
71. Thank you for this subthread.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:02 AM
Nov 2015

I don't have your patience for explaining the obvious, but clearly it needs doing. I suppose I'd be more motivated, if I believed there was an open mind on the receiving end.

But then an open mind would probably perceive an evident fact without help. Dunno. But well done all the same.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
74. UUUUUGH it's so exhausting. They want great big simple problems
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:58 AM
Nov 2015

that are easy to solve. ONE bad guy ONE good guy.

That's what happens when all you're interested in is internet memes...

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
80. Hm, I DO like him, but I can see why some people wouldn't.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:41 AM
Nov 2015

He DOES do a lot of grandstanding and doesn't always make things as clear as he could.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
89. .... hm, well.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:42 PM
Nov 2015

I agree that he does have that big wide-eyed "OH MY GOODNESS, EVERYTHING'S TERRIBLE" innocence that seems to come with the territory in rich liberals. It puts a lot of ordinary people off. Again and again it becomes all about THEM. But he has done some really good stuff.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
67. How do you know where he meant to house his Syrian refugees
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 02:59 AM
Nov 2015

Hell, I'd take a family in, and I only have about 700 sq feet of usable space, but I also have a dog that would eat them...so I can't.

Still, I'm glad you have decided where Michael will house them...since you seem to know so much.

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
70. From his Post Script on his statement.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:06 AM
Nov 2015

It's included in the original post at the top.

"P.S. By the way, my 700-sq. ft. apartment in northern Michigan is a little small, but it's got cable, wi-fi and a new dishwasher! Also, no haters live on my floor! Stop by any time for a hot chocolate this winter."


At least you didn't tell me to eat shit and die like the poster below.

Response to Quackers (Reply #3)

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
81. Haters got to hate
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:46 AM
Nov 2015

So now tell us what else you hate cause you got enough hate there for a mass population.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
19. My Own View Is That . .
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

since the Neo-Cons and Righties launched the violence that created
this massive flood of refugees . .

They are the onces who should take Syrian & Iraqi families into their homes.

We need to start stressing that bat-shit crazy US wars are in large measure
the cause of the refugee crisis.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
25. Governors can't ban refugees from coming into their state anyway
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:05 PM
Nov 2015

The most they can do is refuse to fund programs that provide assistance, financial, medical, etc. (and that only if they, and not the legislature, have control over such disbursements).

Here in Illinois, refugee resettlement organizations (charities, through churches, etc.) are planning to continue assisting in refugee placement and assistance as usual, unless for some unlikely reason the Supreme Court stops them.

I might add: these people probably do not need to stay in Michael Moore's house, nice as the offer is. Or at least on any kind of long-term basis. They are given apartments or homes, in addition to language training, food, etc. so that they begin their lives and continue their family business with dignity.

Powers Hapgood

(57 posts)
30. From Indiana
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

Thank you Michael . . . a lot of Hoosiers would like to follow your lead . . . if we had more money to be generous with.

LittleGirl

(8,261 posts)
72. Welcome to DU fellow Hoosier
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 06:53 AM
Nov 2015

I don't live there anymore but born and raised there. Thanks for your point of view. Cheers.

Powers Hapgood

(57 posts)
75. Howdy from the Hoosier Heartland
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:04 AM
Nov 2015

. . . and one born in the hometown of Eugene Victor Debs, Terre Haute. What part do you hail from?

LittleGirl

(8,261 posts)
76. land of the fighting Irish!
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:12 AM
Nov 2015

waaay up north in lake effect snow area but lived in Indy for a few years recently. I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a year or so a long long time ago (1982). I was 'home' this past summer to visit Mom (83 now) and my brother and his daughter. It smelled like home it was so humid when I was there. Got up to the Lake a couple of times for some beach time and had more mosquito bites then I can remember in a long time too.

I was able to avoid the hard core hillbillies for the most part and saw some old classmates too. I love visiting in the summer but you couldn't catch me there in the winter to save my life. brrrr!

welcome to DU.

Powers Hapgood

(57 posts)
77. Hmmm . . .
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:22 AM
Nov 2015

My wife's family is from the Michigan Upper Peninsula on Lake Superior -- if you want to talk about cold and snow . .

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
32. Oh, Michael. (sigh...) You're a lovely guy, okay? I think you're amazing.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:13 PM
Nov 2015

Your doc on healthcare is brilliant. BRILLIANT.

This ISN'T the early 2000s any more. ISIS is not Saddam's Iraq...

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
50. No, but the stupid reactions and talking points of many are looking just like the early 2000s.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

You know we did have al Qaeda in the early 2000s, right?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
87. Yes. And the dumb responses to those dumb talking points...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015

....aren't any better, either.

What we have is EVERY side thrashing about randomly trying to control SOMETHING and it's mosty each other rather than the actual problem.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
38. Humph! Snyder was all for refugees just last month.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027268963

Michigan's Republican Gov. Rick Snyder is bucking those party leaders by welcoming the Syrians, both for humanitarian reasons as well as to address the state's job and population loss. Saying those who have cleared security hurdles have something to offer economically and culturally, he is talking with federal officials about what the state can do to accept more people.


 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
62. I hope he also opens his home to folks in need
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:51 PM
Nov 2015

Already living in the USA. It's the right thing to do.

llmart

(15,501 posts)
63. I thought this was a Democratic site?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 10:55 PM
Nov 2015

Why rip on Michael Moore when it's the jackass governor that should be getting our disdain? I've said it before on here and I'll say it again. Snyder is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He put on a tremendous act in his campaign of "I'm just a geeky nerd." People fell for it, even Democrats. Then as soon as he was elected he went to work pushing the right wing agenda of making Michigan a right to work state and towing the party line.

He lived in a mansion in the wealthiest section of Ann Arbor. He is a 1%'er.

Michael Moore may have his faults, but he has always fought for the working man/woman. I applaud him for pointing out Snyder's anti-Americanism - and that's exactly what it is.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
88. You've a point for sure, Snyder's a dick but Mike's being silly
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:40 PM
Nov 2015

No, it is NOT a good idea to just invite a whole bunch of strangers into your home to make great big huffy puffy points whether they are terrorists or not.

It makes the whole discussion about AMERICAN LIBERALS instead of SYRIAN REFUGEES. It's self-absorbed.

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MichMan

(11,790 posts)
84. What about all the forgeries?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:56 AM
Nov 2015

With all the news about the availability of fake and forged documents, I don't understand how you can thoroughly vett people anyway.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
86. Way more useful and patriotic
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 04:04 PM
Nov 2015

than the quivering unfounded fear that seems to dominate our country's policy. What a bunch of chicken shits.

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