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Snarkoleptic

(5,995 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:55 PM May 2016

We may be just this screwed: Drumpf has an easier path to victory than you think.

https://www.salon.com/2016/05/29/we_may_be_just_this_screwed_donald_trump_has_an_easier_path_to_victory_than_you_think/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

I believe this election will be decided on 'gut feeling' issues...

Many Trump supporters may well be racist, xenophobic or misogynistic—but if the Democrats think that it will be a winning strategy to sling these kinds of labels at the Donald, then they are going to be in for a nasty surprise in November.

For one thing, Trump’s parochialism resonates with many more Americans than the mainstream media likes to believe or acknowledge (although their obsessive coverage of the Donald is an implicit recognition of this reality). This is true across the board: male and female, young and old, rich and poor, educated and uneducated, highly-intelligent or not, Democrat or Republican (this is particularly true for his anti-Muslim proposals). And his nationalistic economic and foreign policy message resonates even more broadly: a majority of Americans support his “America-first” approach. So if the Clinton camp attempts to disparage people who hold these kinds of views as ignorant and bigoted, they are going to be alienating far more voters than they can likely afford.

Exacerbating this trend is something I call “negative intersectionality”: progressives have done a great job framing racial inequality, feminism and LGBTQ rights as part of the same basic struggle. However, this association works both ways. Accusations of misogyny, for instance, are often heard in the context of a fundamentally anti-white, anti-Christian culture war—a zero-sum campaign waged against ordinary hard-working Americans by condescending and politically correct liberal elites. As a result, many conservative white women who may be disturbed by Trump’s remarks would simultaneously feel antipathy toward liberals when they encounter a pro-Clinton ad that highlights those comments. Some may even come to view Trump more sympathetically if Democrats attempt to paint him as anti-woman or anti-minority.
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yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. The only negative we have going into November is our party going for 3rd election in a row
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

Americans always like to switch it up every eight years (on average). That's my only fear. Everything else is on our side.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
2. The privacy of the voting booth can be both a good and bad thing.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

Good because if frees one from influence in that moment. Bad because it frees one from influence in that moment and allows racist, xenophobic or misogynistic sentiments to be quietly expressed.

Snarkoleptic

(5,995 posts)
4. Agreed, there are those who keep their racism and xenophobia quiet.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:05 PM
May 2016

That's the sort of person I imagine would let their monster out in the voting booth.

mnhtnbb

(31,319 posts)
14. It's quite possible that Republican women will vote for Hillary in droves
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:14 AM
May 2016

while exclaiming to their Trump supporting husbands they don't know how Trump didn't win.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. SALON has turned into a sewer of stupidity. It used to be good, now
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

it's just shit-content from bloggers who don't work very hard on their sourcing or their logic. Clinton hasn't gotten down in the mud with Sanders (and there were plenty of opportunities), she's not going to do that with The Donald either.

As soon as the primaries end, Clinton will have some very potent allies in her quest for the WH--and their names are OBAMA and BIDEN. They will amplify her message and achieve amazing reach, especially since people know full well this will be their last opportunity to see them in political roles.

This is a contest between a mature and brilliant adult wpman with national legislative and foreign policy chops, and an orange, hate-filled, stupid bigot. Anyone who has difficulty making a choice between the two is a moron.

Oneironaut

(5,461 posts)
5. I give Trump a 90% chance of victory. It's sickening.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:16 PM
May 2016

Hillary is a weak candidate. She doesn't have what it takes to destroy Trump's emotional Mussolini-esque rhetoric. She'll be trying to dig a hole for herself on the debate stage, or at least hoping she can disappear into her podium.

Trump is the world's biggest asshole. We need someone who takes him seriously. Hillary is a corporate robot who spits out pre-approved, feelingless sentences that are immediately ignored. We've heard her platitudes in every recent American election. We'll see just how horrible she is when the debates start (trainwreck).

We need Elizabeth Warren, and now. She has what it takes to bring this asshole down. She understands him, where as Hillary and Bernie do not. She's the most painfully ignored gem in the Democratic Party. Too bad they're all idiots who respect wealth, power, and a family name more than a candidate's substance. Hillary and Bernie don't understand technology and the nature of the Internet. This will be their downfall. Trump is already winning.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
6. Then I hope you betting thousands on trump at any number of
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

Betting sites....with such high faith he is going to win...somehow I think you not

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. I really don't agree at all. I think Trump is doomed.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

I started pondering the list of people I would vote for if the choices were Trump or that person. This list turned out to be endless, it's still ongoing. It includes every Democrat I know, elected or otherwise. Taken as a 'no other choice' scenario there are even many Republicans I'd vote for over Trump. Not happily but with great certainty. I'd vote for Ralph Nader over Trump. I would vote for Rham Emmanuel over Trump. The list goes on. Neil Patrick Harris, Melissa Harris Perry, Matthew Perry, Matthew Modine, Jethro Bodine, you get the picture.

Demonaut

(8,909 posts)
10. driving for uber and lyft I inevitably ask who they want as the next president
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

of the hundreds of rides I've given very few admit supporting trump..about four out of about three hundred rides.

I live in Colorado and although Sanders won here I really believe that he has a hardcore group (trump) but they are truly a minority

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. I don't think he will have the money or numbers to compete with HRC.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

And so far he does not, I know Nov is a long way off...but I believe he just cannot attract enough voters. The GOP will run someone else at the last minute and Dump will implode.

We've got a strong hand this year verses the GOP has Mr. Tiny Hands.

agincourt

(1,996 posts)
12. Trump is the first "union friendly"
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

republican presidential candidate, probably since Eisenhower. Of course it's fake, it's a watch in times square but many people believe it. There's been a market for GOPers that are union friendly for some time now. They need to use people who have actually worked for the prick to set the story straight in attack ads. If he sues hire lawyers to protect them

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
15. There has been a rising tide of "anti-SJW" reactionary politics online in recent years.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:46 PM
May 2016

And it is genuinely scaring me, a lot of these online reactionaries seem to be college-educated white Millennial men like myself, many of them with STEM backgrounds, who are having trouble finding a decent job and have fallen into a delusion of persecution derived from a misunderstanding of the concept of "privilege" and have a dismissive anti-intellectual attitude towards the humanities and social sciences.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
16. I think the author may be right.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

Hillary is the worst candidate we could have chosen. Not genuine, too focus-grouped. And complete ignoring what people have been saying. We need genuine economic reform in this country, not more corporate bullshit.

A full-throated endorsement of economic populism would help, but won't happen because of her corporate backers.

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