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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. People inclined to hate rarely do so rationally
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

So people who hate Muslims, watching this, will find something about it to affirm their hate, even if it's just "this is taking up my airwaves!"

nolabear

(41,915 posts)
2. I don't know, but it's a wonderful, wonderful tribute.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jun 2016

He sounds as though he deserves every single accolade, and was the real spirit of what every religion would hope itself to be.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
3. When the clock hits midnight, all the spoken words of today will but a fleeting memory to many
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jun 2016

And that really is sad.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. It was a little disconcerting.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jun 2016

Prayers of peace, love, tranquility juxtaposed with images of Ali's violent boxing career. And while it is euphemistically identified as "the sweet science," even Ali's boxing was often quite brutal.

I don't know if this dispels any association of Islam with violence.

The M$M and organizers could have been more reflective today in recognizing his life away from boxing - and photos and clips of that life within his religion.



Quantess

(27,630 posts)
5. I heard Muhammed Ali made his wife walk behind him, because of his Islamic faith.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jun 2016

I admired the man, but I'm not all that impressed by his religion.

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
6. No because the people who need to educated on Islam watch only FOX or
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

let their Baptist preachers tell them about Islam. I wish, because it is truly a very peaceful religion. I spent a half an hour talking to two Muslim parents today whose beautiful, respectful daughter attended our STEM camp. Some Americans are really culturally and religiously ignorant.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Let me know when Islam accepts LGBT.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

Until then it is to me what Southern Bapstistism is to me, intolerant and very self certain about it. I have no reason to seek out the good bits in a bigoted philosophy.

Igel

(35,199 posts)
9. I think the bigger point is the fallacy in the OP.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jun 2016

The fallacy emitted by IS. The fallacy perpetrated by CAIR. The fallacy that Ali wanted us to accept. It's Fox's fallacy, it's CNN's fallacy.

There is only one Islam.

They all insist on it, but they know it's a bunch of hooey. It's like saying there's one Xianity or one Judaism. The first--there's only one Xianity--is risible. The second, with a smidgeon of thinking, gets agreement--Haredi and many ultra-orthodox, reformed and conservative and orthodox all have some things in common, but to say they all believe the same thing is absurd.

Same for Islam. Muhammad X's Islam was vile. IS's Islam is vile. Some others are questionable. Yet others are faith systems that can coexist peacefully with other faith systems, or the lack fo a faith system.

Now, having dispensed with the fallacy and all that the fallacy entails, the question becomes, Within the spectrum of faith subsystems that is Islam, how widespread are various views?

Suddenly a single counterexample isn't a big deal. The fact that entire Xian denominations are okay with gay faith leaders is a bigger deal. In fact, the counterexample goes to the "exception proves the rule." Yeah, there's an exception--but that means that the rule is pretty much universal and passes the test posed by the exception.

Suddenly a single person who kills Jews in the name of Allah isn't a big deal, any more than when a single Xian kills an abortion provider. The big deal is when the Jew killer is deemed a kind of hero and the government, acceding to public demands, names a street or square after him. Or when the vast majority of the population wonders just how mentally ill the guy who murdered the abortion provider is, or debate whether he should be locked up for 15 years or for life or simply executed, and the supporters may be vocal but are in a backwater of the Internet or a few people in a community.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. He has cool supeprowers.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jun 2016
Muhammad X appears to be able to alter the specific density and gravity of himself and others without causing any apparent harm. Could apparently make himself intangible or immovable, and make others super heavy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_X
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. One guy is not Islam, he's not accepted, he's the only one of his kind and he's in the US
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jun 2016

not in any of the ten Islamic countries that execute LGBT. Being dismissive of the global oppression of LGBT and others by theocracies is in no way progressive.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
16. "Afghan crowd refuses to participate in stoning, rescues woman that clerics wanted killed".
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jun 2016

Yes, I made that headline up, because as far as I know such a thing has never happened. But if and when headlines like that appear for real, that's when people's minds may start to be changed.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
17. No Christian funeral has ever changed my mind about Christianity
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:00 PM
Jun 2016

Words are nice. The actions of followers around the world speak the volumes.

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