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bunnies
(15,859 posts)It can't possibly be that this asshole simply hated gay people. Or that (given the new information) he was a self-hating closeted gay man. No. It absofuckinglutely MUST have to do with being Muslim.
Holy shit.
Edit: typing while angry
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)explicitly in its texts, as are all the Abrahamic religions.
People pretending bigoted as fuck religions have NOTHING to do with these types of incidents are just defending the power and privilege that are mainstream bigoted ideologies, oftentimes because people want to identify with said bigoted religions while not having to answer for the horrible shit their bigoted texts inspire.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Openly Gay Muslim Imam Reacts to Orlando: Clubs Like Pulse are Safe Havens for LGBT Muslims, Too
Orlando Massacre Comes After Lawmakers in U.S. Filed More Than 200 Anti-LGBT Bills
Authorities have identified the Orlando gunman as 29-year-old Omar Mateen. He was born in 1986 in New York to Afghan parents. Since 2007 Mateen had worked as a security guard at G4S, the largest private security firm in the world. The FBI interviewed Mateen in 2013 and 2014 for possible terrorist ties. According to The New York Times, he was placed under FBI surveillance for a time, but the agency eventually closed its inquiry. There are reports that Mateen called 911 around the time of the assault and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, but no audio of the call has been released to the public. We speak to Imam Daayiee Abdullah, executive director of Mecca Institute. Imam Abdullah also is one of the first openly gay imams in the Western Hemisphere. .............
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)even though you know your mostly ordinary rage filled, bigoted neighbor has a large arsenal.
These are people we pass in the store and they are most often not so much an "other" as they are ordinary people living in the mainstream with anger issues.
People need to stop comforting themselves by using stereotypes to imagine distance from these events. The thing the all have in common is guns and a culture that glorifies violence and conflict.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The issue I point to is the blame is assigned to terrorism if it is a Muslim. If it is a white, then it isn't a terrorism issue. That's blatantly racist and wrong. The problem is the mental state of the shooter.
Of course the absence of guns would make us safer from mentally unstable people. What makes us safe from the irrationality of racism and hatred of "others"? What make society safe even when people have mental issues? Absence of hatred would be a great start. Turn off the Trump channel!
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It wasn't obvious that I was referring to media labels? When the media gives the shooters an othering label like "mentally unstable" or terrorism, people are comforted because they don't think they know anyone who is either.
The truth is that it is hate and ordinary rage are not mental illnesses and there are hateful bigots who do not participate in terrorist planning or hate groups among us every single day. If we as a culture don't have the political will to rationally examine what this sense of entitlement to own instruments designed to kill enables, we are allowing a bunch of narcissistic ugly Americans to shrug the killings off.
malaise
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ck4829
(34,977 posts)This phenomenon actually has a name. The ultimate attribution error.
When 'our' people do acts of violence like mass shootings; then media, politicians, and everyday people will attribute the violence to something beyond the perpetrator's control, oh he was mentally ill, he was drunk, he had a bad day, he was a victim too, etc. Long story short, there are things beyond their control that had a role if not was behind the violence entirely.
When 'they' (I.e. Muslims) do it; they are apparently fully conscious of the violence, they are ready and willing fighters and conspirators, the short version here is that their internal traits and decisions are the deciding factor here.
It's time to name it and shame those who persist in using it.
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MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Then you should have to answer for it. Islam, Christianiy, and Judaism all have hateful, bigoted, violent texts that inspire all sorts of terrible shit in the world.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you identify with a bigoted religion, YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM. Good people identifying with these mainstream, widespread, bigoted religions is what keeps the bigoted shit in them more credible.