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Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:32 PM Jun 2016

Orlando terrorist's wife 'told the FBI she tried to talk him out of the attack'.....

.....visited Pulse and other targets with him AND was there when he bought his arsenal of ammunition - but never called 911

Orlando gunman Omar Mateen's wife tried to talk her husband out of his nightclub massacre, according to reports citing FBI sources.

Noor Zahi Salman told federal detectives she knew of Mateen's intentions before he stormed Pulse on Saturday and murdered 49 people, NBC and ABC report.

She also admitted she was with him when he bought his ammunition and holster.
And she drove him to Pulse nightclub and other target scenes - including Walt Disney World - 'because he wanted to scope them out'.

According to the NBC report, authorities are 'considering' charges against Salman for not reporting her husband's massacre plan. The FBI said she is cooperating fully with the investigation.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641206/She-knew-Orlando-terrorist-s-wife-told-FBI-tried-talk-attack-cooperating-authorities.html#ixzz4BZXKkD00

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Orlando terrorist's wife 'told the FBI she tried to talk him out of the attack'..... (Original Post) Siwsan Jun 2016 OP
Is there another more reliable source than a British tabloid on this? Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #1
The report was also aired by NBC and ABC (according to the article) Siwsan Jun 2016 #3
I would prefer not to give them traffic Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #11
Understandable - Siwsan Jun 2016 #12
NBC DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #6
Thanks! Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #9
Accessory charges need to be made Jackilope Jun 2016 #2
It makes me wonder if she was abused, too, and that affected her behavior Siwsan Jun 2016 #5
I thought that too. Jackilope Jun 2016 #17
Legally these statements will be thrown out of court unless yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #19
If this is true she needs to shut up and get a lawyer uponit7771 Jun 2016 #4
Clearly, DU needs to set her straight. He wasn't "scoping them out," he went to Pulse because he Coventina Jun 2016 #7
From what I've read vdogg Jun 2016 #10
How do you know nobody scopes out a Gay club for 3 years? King_David Jun 2016 #14
Your telling me vdogg Jun 2016 #20
And I'm not sure why it's so important to some people that he were Gay King_David Jun 2016 #25
Why is this mutually exclusive? vdogg Jun 2016 #26
This is my problem with that argument: Coventina Jun 2016 #18
Unfortunately, self hate can lead to such actions vdogg Jun 2016 #24
And just how are we supposed to give this guy a diagnosis? It's all just speculation. Coventina Jun 2016 #27
Why would he need to "scope out" the Pulse club when he had been a regular for years? DCBob Jun 2016 #8
That is how she expressed it - maybe not other's choice of words Siwsan Jun 2016 #15
What a great American. AngryAmish Jun 2016 #13
She was reportedly living apart from him. Apparently not apart enough, though Siwsan Jun 2016 #16
I believe you're thinking of his ex-wife. nt B2G Jun 2016 #21
The second one, too. It was reported that they had separate living arrangements. Siwsan Jun 2016 #22
Ah. I hadn't read that. Thanks...nt B2G Jun 2016 #23

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
3. The report was also aired by NBC and ABC (according to the article)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

I've been pretty surprised at how often this site is spot on with their reporting.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. I would prefer not to give them traffic
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

Even when reporting "factual" news they give it a Fox News-style slant.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
2. Accessory charges need to be made
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

If you are helping hubby scout for sites to shoot up and witness his purchase of ammunition, WHAT is stopping you from alerting authorities and preventing this heart ache????

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
5. It makes me wonder if she was abused, too, and that affected her behavior
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

It has happened, before - kind of a marital Stockholm Syndrome.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
17. I thought that too.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

Domestic abuse definitely considered. The act of her begging him not to get the weapons indicates she does know what he was doing was wrong.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
19. Legally these statements will be thrown out of court unless
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

She had a lawyer or was charged and given Miranda rights

Coventina

(26,846 posts)
7. Clearly, DU needs to set her straight. He wasn't "scoping them out," he went to Pulse because he
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

was a self-hating gay.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
10. From what I've read
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

This guy does not appear to be the most rational actor. That said, nobody "scopes out" a gay club for 3 years. He was a conflicted individual, who made incomprehensible decisions. I doubt that the now numerous gays that have come forward were lying about their encounters or his overtures.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
20. Your telling me
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jun 2016

It took 3 whole years to scope out entrance and exit points at a relatively small venue? Was he scoping out the gay clubs he went to in 2006 as well. What was he scoping out when he asked a friend if he was gay and stated if he were he'd be "his type of person"? It is very strange how people are seeking to downplay this information, I'm really not sure why that is.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
25. And I'm not sure why it's so important to some people that he were Gay
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

It is possible for LGBTQ to be targets of terrorism, especially from cults of Gay hating bigots , just like straight people. We are not exceptions and we are all the same.


Horrific moment two gay men are thrown off tall building by ISIS then stoned by baying mob including children

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198283/Horrific-moment-two-gay-men-thrown-tall-building-ISIS-stoned-baying-mob-including-children.html

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
26. Why is this mutually exclusive?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

I never once said the guy wasn't a terrorist. I do believe the fact that he was self hating, combined with the fact that he was tormented in school, combined with the fact that he was rejected by those he sought companionship with, combined with of course the fact that he radicalized himself on the Internet, led to this event. It all combines to form a demented individual capable of carrying out a terrorist act. Acknowledging one does not exclude the other.

Coventina

(26,846 posts)
18. This is my problem with that argument:
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

People are allowed to identify how they want to identify.

He pledged himself to the IS.

Yes, I think that people don't choose their sexuality, but they do choose how they want to be identified, and that was his ultimate choice. People have agency. He chose NOT to be aligned with the LGBT community, and to label him as a self-hating closet case is another form of bigotry against the LGBT community, that they are somehow "broken" and prone to violence.

Homophobia causes violence, not sexuality.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
24. Unfortunately, self hate can lead to such actions
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016

And it doesn't have to be sexual self hate. Self hate has been part of the psyche of many a mass killer. Stating that perhaps problems he had with his sexual identity that contributed to a level of self hate that led to this massacre is not a knock against the LGBT community. It's just another piece of the puzzle.

Coventina

(26,846 posts)
27. And just how are we supposed to give this guy a diagnosis? It's all just speculation.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

I choose to base my beliefs on what he said and what he did: concrete evidence.

He chose his target, scoped it out, and murdered people in the name of Islam.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
15. That is how she expressed it - maybe not other's choice of words
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

I can't imagine what it must have been like to live with someone like that. If what his first wife reported (and there's no reason to doubt her) this woman might have just been an emotional hostage and now she's trying to express the unimaginable.

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
16. She was reportedly living apart from him. Apparently not apart enough, though
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

I can't imagine what it must be like to be in that situation.

Siwsan

(26,177 posts)
22. The second one, too. It was reported that they had separate living arrangements.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jun 2016

Doesn't mean he still wasn't very much in her life, since they had a child, together.

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