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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSorry, I don't get the cheering going on for LGBT folks rushing out to buy guns
I don't see how you can be pro-gun control and cheer on any particular group rushing out to buy guns. We're awash in the fucking things. That's a big part of the problem. Just too many guns and too many people justifying buying more guns. I'm not all that familiar with the exact statistics, and we all know that you can dig up statistics to bolster any argument you wish.... lies, damn lies and statistics, as the saying goes.
I don't know that a bunch of people carrying that awful night at Pulse would have reduced the deaths and injuries. There was, after all, an off duty cop who engaged him. But it's just as possible that people could have inadvertently hit innocents.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
B2G
(9,766 posts)I must have missed the thread...
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)They will put up signs, take away alligators, put up a fence to ensure future safety. When a group is tragically gunned down with zero protection, they are not going to be unprotected the next time it happens. We protect ourselves after a tragedy. Our laws are made from tragedy all the time. Perhaps having privilege of not having or ever having a the tragedy they had Saturday night would allow that explanation.
randome
(34,845 posts)Unless you're certain never to be under threat except at a specific place, you'd carry that gun on you at all times -thereby making the odds of a misfire that much greater.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Her for protecting herself. I don't know how that feels.
randome
(34,845 posts)But it seems from my point of view to be no gain in carrying a loaded weapon.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)I think there were at least two cops who were in a shoot out with this guy early, and they didn't put him down. If one of those cops had been a better shot, then the psycho killer guy would never have had the opportunity to kill so many...just sayin'.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Or feeling helpless.
Fear is a good thing, keeps us from doing all kinds of stupid shit, and causes us to do all kind of smart stuff.
Anyway - it is hard to argue with the notion of wanting to defend life, especially your own, your loved ones.
Of course that doesn't have to mean "guns".
Just something effective.
400 million guns.
23 Million new ones a year.
romanic
(2,841 posts)If someone feels that they need protection, it's their right to get protection. Whether it's a pistol, mace, a knife, whatever.
Initech
(99,912 posts)In fact can we as a country admit that we have an addiction to guns?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)to compare such attempts to prohibition and war on drugs.
The/A counter to THAT argument is "those are addictive, guns aren't".
Yet 90-95% of people may not comply with an intrusive control law (NY Safe act) - they risk criminal penalties to avoid just registering a subset of their guns.
"Addiction"...hmmm.
Initech
(99,912 posts)The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Think about some of the violent language we use every day, and think about the fact that every single fucking time a mass shooting happens, gun sales go through the roof! And all the NRA wants is more guns in the hands of more people that shouldn't have them. It's a cycle and it's way past time to try to break it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)You might considernwhat controllers call for every time:. Bans.
If you are so concerned about the addiction of, presumably, gun sales, then quit doing those things which cause the sales. Come up with something other than calls for bans.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Bonx
(2,039 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)demmiblue
(36,744 posts)This is what they do... it does not reflect what the vast majority of us think.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Any person within a demonstrably threatened group should be able to legally obtain a gun.
"Article two of the constitutional amendments provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun" -- Malcolm X
sarisataka
(18,213 posts)Assessing the risk to their person, considers the responsibilities that come along with the right, commits themselves to becoming proficient in the use of a gun and knowledgeable on the rules of self-defense, then concludes that a gun would be a useful option in their choice of self-protection, would you deny them that choice because it doesn't make sense to you?