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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:41 AM Aug 2016

More parents believe vaccines are ‘unnecessary,’ while a mumps outbreak grows

More parents believe vaccines are ‘unnecessary,’ while a mumps outbreak grows
By Ariana Eunjung Cha August 29

The contrast between parents’ attitudes about vaccines today and a decade ago is striking. A survey published Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics shows that more and more moms and dads are refusing the shots for their children.

Much of the blame for this phenomenon can be attributed to continuing claims from everyone from actor Jim Carrey to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump about the link between vaccines and autism — an idea that originated with a paper later shown to be fraudulent and that numerous scientific teams have tested exhaustively and found to be untrue. But while many parents’ scrutiny of vaccines may have been triggered by the autism theories, they have grown beyond those initial concerns.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/08/29/more-parents-believe-vaccines-are-unnecessary-while-a-mumps-outbreak-grows/
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More parents believe vaccines are ‘unnecessary,’ while a mumps outbreak grows (Original Post) workinclasszero Aug 2016 OP
Idiots apcalc Aug 2016 #1
Trump voters get the red out Aug 2016 #2
Lots of granola on the left tymorial Aug 2016 #3
I tend to be a bit granola myself get the red out Aug 2016 #5
Indeed. iandhr Aug 2016 #14
Yes sadly workinclasszero Aug 2016 #22
Jill Stein and the Green party are anti vax nutters workinclasszero Aug 2016 #21
Ah come on saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #27
Erm...'granola'? I hadn't heard that one before... Shandris Aug 2016 #36
nope. many on the left. JI7 Aug 2016 #46
Well, it's all sciencey, dontcha know. MANative Aug 2016 #4
Maybe a polio outbreak would get their attention. It's bound to happen. Vinca Aug 2016 #6
Nah, polio's a couple of years from being eliminated globally. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #32
grrrrreat. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #7
My brother and I had mumps at the same time. phylny Aug 2016 #8
Yeah, I remember mumps... hunter Aug 2016 #34
God help you if you get mumps as an adult. COLGATE4 Aug 2016 #35
My brother, myself, and our baby sister were completely miserable together but recovered. Later on.. Hekate Aug 2016 #39
And who will they blame when their child contracts polio? Loki Aug 2016 #9
Iron lung ward filled with polio patients, Rancho Los Amigos Hospital, California (1953) yortsed snacilbuper Aug 2016 #41
OMG, I forgot just how horrible that time was. Loki Aug 2016 #44
Absolute insanity. All because these idiots think people like me are "poisoned" by vaccines. Odin2005 Aug 2016 #10
Just wait. Hekate Aug 2016 #40
Childhood "mumps" come and go... CanSocDem Aug 2016 #11
Even better - prevent getting Mumps and not transmit them to a vulnerable adult - or a newborn. ehrnst Aug 2016 #12
My next door neighbor's childhood mumps left him deaf. Mariana Aug 2016 #16
The many people left disabled from childhood mumps would disagree with you. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2016 #18
My uncle suffered significant lifelong injury from having the mumps as a child. trotsky Aug 2016 #19
Or, get the vaccine. saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #29
I too was spared this horror... CanSocDem Aug 2016 #37
I believe in both. LiberalCatholic Aug 2016 #38
How'd that work out for the Native Americans when the Europeans showed up? hunter Aug 2016 #43
You can only get shingles if you've had chicken pox tammywammy Aug 2016 #45
I wish my grandmother were still alive so she could scold you for this complete idiocy. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #48
My teen has had all the vaccines on the recommended schedule ehrnst Aug 2016 #13
more parents are dumber than asphalt spanone Aug 2016 #15
SMH Solly Mack Aug 2016 #17
A zika vaccine will be available in a few years greymattermom Aug 2016 #20
Idiocracy spreads just like a virus and can devastate entire cities and states. Rex Aug 2016 #23
The general culture has spread idiocy as a desirable trait workinclasszero Aug 2016 #25
We started going down hill either a)when Ford pardon Nixon or b)when Reagan won the WH. Rex Aug 2016 #26
Rayguns is the great destroyer of all good things in America workinclasszero Aug 2016 #31
These parents........... mrmpa Aug 2016 #24
I don't blame Trump or anybody else. I blame the ignorant souls that believe everything on the net. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #28
They need to think ahead radical noodle Aug 2016 #30
Doctors have found a key link matt819 Aug 2016 #33
Fear of science more than anything. Lancero Aug 2016 #42
Still no cure for STUPID. GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #47

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
2. Trump voters
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 06:52 AM
Aug 2016

Too many extremists in this country, this number probably includes some extreme granola on the left too.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
3. Lots of granola on the left
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:13 AM
Aug 2016

Anti-science is not just a trait of conservatives. There are more than a few anti-science believers right here on DU.

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
5. I tend to be a bit granola myself
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:51 AM
Aug 2016

But i will never get how someone who doesn't want to eat junk, or feed it to their kids, can turn around and jeopardize their kids' health by leaving them vulnerable to disease, but there you are, it exists. Some people are terribly succeptable to fear mongering.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
27. Ah come on
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:14 PM
Aug 2016

who doesn't love granola with raisins, almonds and honey?

I think a genetic mutation is responsible, cause unknown at present. If we fools would spend more on research and cures, not treatments, we might expect improved outcomes.

I've read Cuba is way ahead of US on cures for diabetics and cancer. If I didn't have to provide a CIA/FBI dossier, I would love to attend a Cuban layperson's medical conference on these subject matters.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
36. Erm...'granola'? I hadn't heard that one before...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:27 PM
Aug 2016

...but a simple glance at Urban Dictionary shows something like sixteen gazillion 'granola _________' entries. Where in the actual hell did THIS one come from? Or...more specifically...WHEN?! Was it from a tv show or something?

I wanna know how long this one has snuck under my radar. I detest getting blindsided by words.

MANative

(4,105 posts)
4. Well, it's all sciencey, dontcha know.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:18 AM
Aug 2016

The Reslugs have ensured that science and knowledge are vilified in this nation for the last 30 years. The deliberate dumbing down of America is reaping its consequences.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
32. Nah, polio's a couple of years from being eliminated globally.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:00 PM
Aug 2016
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/04/2016-predict/

But now, at last, the end does look in sight. I asked Carol Pandak, director of the Polio Plus program at Rotary International — which since 1988 has lent millions of volunteers and more than a billion dollars to the eradication campaign — how she thinks the next 12 months will go.

“We are getting closer,” she told me. “We have only two endemic countries left. Of the three types of the virus, type 2 was certified eradicated in September, and there have been no type 3 cases globally for three years. And Pakistan and Afghanistan have goals to interrupt transmission internally in May 2016.”

phylny

(8,353 posts)
8. My brother and I had mumps at the same time.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:42 AM
Aug 2016

We were both born in the 50s. I still remember the pain. Fortunately we had no long-term side effects. Why anyone would knowingly subject their children to that is beyond my understanding.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
34. Yeah, I remember mumps...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:10 PM
Aug 2016

... it ranks right up there broken bones.

Most parents would rather their kids not suffer broken bones... so why the hell are there so many parents who don't want their kids to be vaccinated???

Like you, it's beyond my understanding.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
35. God help you if you get mumps as an adult.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:26 PM
Aug 2016

Has the nasty habit of going down into your testicles. A really shitty way to spend a few weeks in misery.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
39. My brother, myself, and our baby sister were completely miserable together but recovered. Later on..
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:42 PM
Aug 2016

...when I was in high school I met the sister of a classmate of mine who wasn't able to be in public school. That girl had contracted mumps encephalitis, and had been rendered blind and crippled. She was able to navigate with difficulty by wearing leg braces and using crutches. I may be wrong, but I don't think a guide dog was in her future, due to the dog needing to be on a leash and her hands being occupied with the crutches. Same thing with the standard white cane.

When I heard about the MMR vaccine just before my kids were born, I put it high on my Must Do list.

My daughter has become an anti-vaxxer. But what the hell do I know?

Loki

(3,825 posts)
44. OMG, I forgot just how horrible that time was.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:48 PM
Aug 2016

I was lucky to be among the first groups of children in the country to receive the Salk vaccine. My mother cried because she was so relieved to know that I was protected and safe. How can these parents even think about not protecting their children.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
10. Absolute insanity. All because these idiots think people like me are "poisoned" by vaccines.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:56 AM
Aug 2016

I'm surprised that our resident anti-vaxxer hasn't showed up yet.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
11. Childhood "mumps" come and go...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:05 AM
Aug 2016


...while adult mumps can cause serious damage. Better to get them when you're young.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. Even better - prevent getting Mumps and not transmit them to a vulnerable adult - or a newborn.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:11 AM
Aug 2016

Many who did not get mumps as a child are at risk from kids who get mumps.

Here are some of the documented lasting side effects of Mumps: Deafness, pancreatitis, Meningoencephalitis, oophoritis and/or mastitis. Mumps can cause miscarriage in a pregnant woman.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
18. The many people left disabled from childhood mumps would disagree with you.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 10:05 AM
Aug 2016

Better to not get them at all.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
19. My uncle suffered significant lifelong injury from having the mumps as a child.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 12:24 PM
Aug 2016

You are dead wrong.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
29. Or, get the vaccine.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:32 PM
Aug 2016

I was spared this horror, thanks to my parents and the public school that required it.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
37. I too was spared this horror...
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 04:26 PM
Aug 2016


...before there was a vaccine or mass hysteria, so I'm leaning toward "... the grace of God".

As you can see from this thread, few around here believe in the body's ability to heal itself. They would rather believe in the magical properties of vaccines that somebody promises will save them from a sickness.

Growing up in the 50's, I had all the childhood diseases...except mumps. All the kids in town had them, were sent home from school at the first sign and spent a week or two resting in bed with whatever med's were required. Usually aspirin.

The idea then was that exposure to the childhood diseases built up natural resistance in the body so that mutations like "shingles" didn't re-appear down the line. It worked for everybody I know from those days. And I'm pushing 70 so it's working for me. The last vaccine the school insisted I take was back in the 50's and that was for polio and so you could say that has kept me polio-free.

Now, older and wiser, I believe implicitly in the bodies ability to heal itself. And the science is catching up with this idea much to the dismay of those selling the various cures. My position isn't "anti-science".....it is anti-consumerism.


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LiberalCatholic

(91 posts)
38. I believe in both.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 07:14 PM
Aug 2016

The idea behind vaccines, I believe, is to give your body a tiny bit of the virus. Your body then recognizes the disease if it ever comes in contact with it. So, ultimately, your body learns to heal itself. I have not only had all my shots, and made sure that my children have had theirs, but I continue to be inoculated to protect both my students and self from avoidable diseases.

hunter

(38,264 posts)
43. How'd that work out for the Native Americans when the Europeans showed up?
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:44 PM
Aug 2016

They were not living a consumer lifestyle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

Later on the 1918 flu Pandemic is estimated to have killed three to five percent of the world's population, most of them healthy young adults.

It's reasonable to fear such things.

Natural selection is one way to deal with pandemics, I suppose. Those not naturally resistant to a virus simply die, and those who are resistant live to pass on those resistant genes. But I don't think anyone considers that an ethical approach to the problem.

I won't cry if chicken pox is wiped out. I had it bad as a kid and I'm covered with scars. My mom got shingles on her face, which is supposed to be about the worst place to have it. Before the chicken pox vaccine was available, I was working in a hospital where we had the young mother die from chicken pox that her toddler had brought home from his older cousins, leaving the toddler and a newborn without a mother.

There's really no good in these diseases. The saying "if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger" is bullshit. If it doesn't kill you sometimes it just maims you or scars you for life.

On the other hand, there's good evidence that letting kids play in the dirt is a good idea. Exposure to a wide variety of microorganisms seems to be essential in the development of the human immune system. The natural environment of, say, an organic garden is full of fungi, bacteria, and viruses that are for the most part benign, more than 99.9% of them. We'll do just fine if we eradicate the most dangerous varieties.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
45. You can only get shingles if you've had chicken pox
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 08:57 PM
Aug 2016

Shingles is a direct result of one of those "childhood diseases".

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
13. My teen has had all the vaccines on the recommended schedule
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 09:26 AM
Aug 2016

Including Gardasil.

He's fine. He makes good grades. He's not damaged.

I like to think that I'm a responsible parent...

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
25. The general culture has spread idiocy as a desirable trait
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:03 PM
Aug 2016

in this country for decades.

I mean look at who the republicans are running for President ffs!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. We started going down hill either a)when Ford pardon Nixon or b)when Reagan won the WH.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:09 PM
Aug 2016

Or both. We celebrate the jock and the amazing physical traits, yet still to this day spurn intelligence as something mysterious and dangerous...and not the good kind of danger.

Anti-intellectualism runs rampant in our nation and is rewarded daily by folks that know better.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
24. These parents...........
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:00 PM
Aug 2016

say things like "no one gets the mumps", no one gets polio", etc.

They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that no one gets these diseases because there are vaccines.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. I don't blame Trump or anybody else. I blame the ignorant souls that believe everything on the net.
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:18 PM
Aug 2016

I know diehard Democrats that fall for every ignorant thing like this on the internet. Conspiracy theories get tossed in there too.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
30. They need to think ahead
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 01:54 PM
Aug 2016

My daughter had chickenpox before there was a vaccine for it. Last year, at age 42, she had the worst case of shingles the doctor had ever seen. She continues to suffer from nerve pain from it. If she had been able to get a vaccine for chickenpox she wouldn't have this ongoing problem now. Her chickenpox was mild, but there is little more miserable than shingles.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
33. Doctors have found a key link
Wed Aug 31, 2016, 02:09 PM
Aug 2016

In the absence of vaccines and the group immunity health effect, there are increasing numbers of outbreaks of diseases that kill and that were on the verge of being eradicated in the US.

Who needs terrorists. Leave us alone and we'll destroy ourselves.

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