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douglas9

(4,358 posts)
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:44 AM Dec 2016

ACE Hardware refusing to sell propane to Standing Rock water protectors during blizzard

Ace Hardware said today that it would not sell propane in the region of the Standing Rock water protectors, where blizzard conditions are placing lives at risk. Ace said it is responding to a request by law enforcement.
Ace Hardware's policy, which defies human decency and human rights, can be heard in this audio recording by Kevin Gilbertt.
Gilbertt said propane is needed to keep people alive.
Gilbertt encouraged people to call Ace Hardware customer service and respond. "There is not enough wood in camp," he said, pointing out that it is too cold to go out, and too difficult to get enough wood for heat in camp.
Ace Hardware said it will not sell "incendiary" products in the vicinity of Standing Rock pipeline.
The company said, "Ace Hardware stores in the vicinity of recent pipeline protests in North Dakota have been requested by law enforcement officials to refrain from selling materials that could be used as incendiary devices."
Gilbertt said, "ACE Hardware needs to be boycotted."
Gilbertt points out that law enforcement, including the Morton County Sheriff's Department, has been brutalizing water protectors. While engaging in acts of cruelty and inflicting serious injury, law enforcement has spread lies about the water protectors.

http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/2016/11/ace-hardware-refusing-to-sell-propane.html

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ACE Hardware refusing to sell propane to Standing Rock water protectors during blizzard (Original Post) douglas9 Dec 2016 OP
I won't be buying anything from ACE again. putitinD Dec 2016 #1
go to the link. this story is not true n/t orleans Dec 2016 #20
Well... wcmagumba Dec 2016 #2
I buy everything from ace yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #3
Police merely requested, rather than demanded. Hence, Ace as a concern, is quite valid. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #6
Got it yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #8
How can they be contacted Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #4
Company Overview of Ace Hardware Corporation douglas9 Dec 2016 #11
Cold front expected next week to follow massive snowfall FarCenter Dec 2016 #5
Our Ace Hardware is owned by a local guy Greybnk48 Dec 2016 #7
Yes, they are. WillowTree Dec 2016 #9
If it says ACE Hardware on the sign, then it's ACE Hardware. Iggo Dec 2016 #17
ACE is a hardware co-operative owned by the owners of the individual stores. PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #19
Ace is saying the reports aren't true. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #10
They advise calling to check whether they have the proper inventory of selected items hatrack Dec 2016 #12
Now they just won't re-stock the propane. If they don't boycott is still on. TeamPooka Dec 2016 #25
Censored News - It's gotta be TRUE!!!! tenderfoot Dec 2016 #13
Censored News douglas9 Dec 2016 #14
Is this blogger's story actually true? MineralMan Dec 2016 #15
Censored News is Brenda Norrell douglas9 Dec 2016 #16
According to ACE headquarters this isn't true... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #18
please edit this post orleans Dec 2016 #21
Delete this false news Coyotl Dec 2016 #22
Even if this were true, a nationwide Ace boycott would be silly. trotsky Dec 2016 #23
It's a co-operative. The individually-owned stores own ACE. PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #24
Did North Dakota cops try to ban stores from selling vital goods to Standing Rock protesters? douglas9 Dec 2016 #26
That sounds more like it. Iggo Dec 2016 #28
The only propane those stores sell is little 1lb bottles and Lee-Lee Dec 2016 #27
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. I buy everything from ace
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:28 AM
Dec 2016

Why are the police demanding ace not sell items to them. The police should be the focus.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. Police merely requested, rather than demanded. Hence, Ace as a concern, is quite valid.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:40 AM
Dec 2016

Police merely requested, rather than demanded. Hence, Ace as a concern, is quite valid.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. Got it
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:46 AM
Dec 2016

I won't shop again. Sadly Home Depot's already on my ban list. I'll figure out another place. Thanks for the further info.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
5. Cold front expected next week to follow massive snowfall
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:39 AM
Dec 2016
It may be hard to remember that November 2016 likely will go down as one of the warmest in Bismarck history, given the wintry note on which the month ended.

The massive snowfall — 1 to 2 feet across central North Dakota — signaled a quick switch of the seasons. And now, after temperatures that often flirted with 30 degrees above normal in November, the Bismarck area is expected to slide sharply in the opposite direction for December.

National Weather Service meteorologist Janine Vining said there is a chance of snow on Saturday, and then a weather system is expected to move in Sunday night or Monday morning that will bring “real North Dakota winter” temperatures to the area. While highs Sunday and Monday are forecast in the 20s, by Tuesday the high may be in the teens -- and lows could dip below zero.


http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/cold-front-expected-next-week-to-follow-massive-snowfall/article_6f786818-8326-5703-b6fa-6f9f5133d7fb.html

I don't think those little propane tanks from a hardware store are going to do it.

Greybnk48

(10,148 posts)
7. Our Ace Hardware is owned by a local guy
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:41 AM
Dec 2016

who's had it for 30+ years. Aren't they run as franchises? Just so we go after the right people.

hatrack

(59,442 posts)
12. They advise calling to check whether they have the proper inventory of selected items
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:01 AM
Dec 2016

Maybe some "inventory problems" are afflicting North Dakota hardware stores.

douglas9

(4,358 posts)
14. Censored News
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

Censored News

Censored News was created in 2006 in response to censorship by Indian Country Today. Longtime ICT staff writer Brenda Norrell was censored repeatedly, and terminated in 2006. Now in its 11th year, with more than 13 million views, Censored News publishes a collective of Indigenous and other grassroots writers focused on human rights. Censored News is a media whistleblower site. Censored News has no grants, sponsors or advertising. It is totally reader supported. brendanorrell@gmail.com

http://bsnorrell.blogspot.com/

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
15. Is this blogger's story actually true?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:29 AM
Dec 2016

Who can say. Maybe it was one ACE hardware store that refused. I don't know. In the thread, ACE apparently claims the story isn't true, as well. Are there any independent corroborators for the story?

And who is bsnorrell? Anyone can have a blog. I have several. I can write anything I please on them.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
18. According to ACE headquarters this isn't true...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:07 PM
Dec 2016
http://newsroom.acehardware.com/ace-hardware-statement-on-north-dakota-protest-and-product-sales/

Note that ACE is a co-operative owned by the individual store owners not a national corporate chain, so ACE
doesn't determine what the individual stores sell or don't sell.

orleans

(33,987 posts)
21. please edit this post
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:13 PM
Dec 2016

from the link it shows an UPDATE STATING THAT THERE IS NO BAN ON SUCH ITEMS FOR WATER PROTECTORS

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
23. Even if this were true, a nationwide Ace boycott would be silly.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:18 PM
Dec 2016

I think most (if not all) their stores are franchised.

But let me just take the opportunity here to plug for Ace, though I am not affiliated with them in any way: if you are near one, please try shopping there first. Yes you'll likely pay a bit more on a few items but they truly do focus on customer service. You will easily find someone who can help you. You won't have to walk a quarter mile between departments. And your money will stay generally in your local economy. Ace is the last line of defense against the national box stores.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
24. It's a co-operative. The individually-owned stores own ACE.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 04:28 PM
Dec 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retailers%27_cooperative

http://www.acehardware.com/corp/index.jsp?page=faq

And as a store-owned co-op "Ace" itself can't really determine what the individually owned
stores sell or don't sell.

Other hardware co-ops include "True Value" and "Do It Best".

douglas9

(4,358 posts)
26. Did North Dakota cops try to ban stores from selling vital goods to Standing Rock protesters?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 05:55 PM
Dec 2016

Just days after police turned water cannons on activists protesting the Dakota Access pipeline in freezing North Dakota weather, new reports suggest local police may have attempted to ban area hardware stores from selling certain items to Standing Rock activists hunkering down in the cold

According to a messages shared across social media Wednesday evening and Thursday morning, an unidentified law enforcement agency allegedly contacted at least one local Ace Hardware store, and asked that they “refrain from selling materials that could be used as incendiary devices.” A screenshot posted by singer Neko Case shows an apparent Ace Hardware response to inquiries about the alleged ban—complete with incident identification number—in which an employee identified as “Camillia H.” states that the local stores’ decision to accept the police’s request “is not a reflection of any corporate viewpoint on the pipeline project.”

http://fusion.net/story/373226/standing-rock-ace-hardware-nodapl/


 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
27. The only propane those stores sell is little 1lb bottles and
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:51 PM
Dec 2016

If the protestors think they are going to actually stay warm in those conditions using that they have planned very, very poorly. That's not just hard to do, but it's the most costly, inefficient and wasteful way to do it generating lots of steel bottles to the landfill that probably can't be recycled because they still have some dangerous gas in them.

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