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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 10:54 AM Dec 2016

I myself find it hard to believe Russia would ever involve itself in other country's elections.

Isn't that right, Victor Yushchenko?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2004

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/03/12/remember-when-an-ukrainian-presidential-candidate-fell-mysteriously-ill/?utm_term=.bf773ef8d49d


Remember when a Ukrainian presidential candidate fell mysteriously ill?

By Terri Rupar

March 12, 2014

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It sounded like a spy novel: A Ukrainian opposition candidate falls mysteriously ill, his face disfigured by a blotch of lesions. He has severe abdominal and back pain, and the left side of his face is paralyzed.

Yushchenko said he was poisoned. Opponents said maybe it was bad sushi and booze.

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Arnold Schecter, a dioxin expert at the University of Texas School of Public Health at Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, said dioxins can be highly effective poison in people who are sensitive to their effects. If Yushchenko was deliberately given dioxin, it was done by someone who "was very clever and very knowledgeable," Schecter said.

"If someone put a drop of pure dioxin in his food, he wouldn't taste it, he wouldn't see it and a few days later he'd start to get sick," Schecter said.

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I myself find it hard to believe Russia would ever involve itself in other country's elections. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 OP
Yeah, full out invasion is the preferred option. Oh, did I say Iraq?!1 n/t UTUSN Dec 2016 #1
You are going to have to explain that comment. It doesn't seem to pertain to the OP. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #8
So, we should just quietly accept Trump? TomCADem Dec 2016 #13
I can't imagine how you got to your interpretation from my post. & no, don't need to explain. n/t UTUSN Dec 2016 #14
OP Pertained to Russia's Recent Actions in Reference... TomCADem Dec 2016 #15
Ah, i feel my benightedness lifting already, thanks!1 nt UTUSN Dec 2016 #17
Yushchenko points to political ally in 2004 poisoning FarCenter Dec 2016 #2
Multiple examples of Putin's Poison Pills lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #3
Good thing the US has never tried to interfere in foreign elections or governments. Coyotl Dec 2016 #4
Since NAZI Germany killed 6,000, 000 of my co-religionists can I kill every German I meet? DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #5
You're right. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #7
Since every crime has at one time been committed, we can never prosecute for any crime. stevenleser Dec 2016 #9
I guess I need to consider Poe's law or something, and go back to do the sarcasm thingie. Coyotl Dec 2016 #11
It's not like Russia is now intervening in the USA, England, France, Germany, Holland KittyWampus Dec 2016 #10
No, nothing at all like that. ananda Dec 2016 #12
Like Stalin MFM008 Dec 2016 #6
He has Chloracne from Dioxin poisoning. alfredo Dec 2016 #16

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
13. So, we should just quietly accept Trump?
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:57 PM
Dec 2016

I think that is the point of the above post. Let Republicans have their way as some sort of karmic pay back that is owed by the working class.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
14. I can't imagine how you got to your interpretation from my post. & no, don't need to explain. n/t
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:00 PM
Dec 2016

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
15. OP Pertained to Russia's Recent Actions in Reference...
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 01:12 PM
Dec 2016

...to an election. You introduce the Bush administration's pretextual invasion of Iraq. If you are not trying to assert some sort of karmic penance, not sure what the relevance is. The other responded to your post was also confused.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
2. Yushchenko points to political ally in 2004 poisoning
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:28 AM
Dec 2016

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — The Ukrainian president says a former political ally pressured him into attending a dinner in 2004 at which he says he was poisoned.

Viktor Yushchenko is accusing David Zhvania of involvement in his poisoning.

He said Monday that he did not want to go to the dinner but was persuaded by Zhvania. At the time Yushchenko was an opposition presidential candidate. He became gravely ill and was later diagnosed by experts with dioxin poisoning.

Zhvania denies Yushchenko's accusations and disputes that Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin. Instead he says Yushchenko suffered regular food poisoning.

A four-year investigation ended this month without tangible results.

Zhvania is a member of the pro-Yushchenko parliamentary faction.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-07-28-Yuschenko-poison_N.htm

Viktor Yushchenko yesterday threw the four-year investigation into his near-fatal dioxin poisoning into turmoil when he implicated a former close friend and Orange Revolution ally.

Asked during a televised press conference if he suspected David Zhvania, godfather to one of his children, the Ukraine president said: "I think, yes. And that is putting it softly."

The question was prompted by persistent rumours of Mr Zhvania's involvement in the September 2004 poisoning that -disfigured Mr Yushchenko's face.

Mr Zhvania, a Georgian native and current Ukrainian parliamentarian for a pro-Yushchenko party, held a senior position in the president's hard-fought 2004 election campaign.

Mr Zhvania has denied any involvement in the case and has cast doubt on whether Mr Yushchenko was poisoned at all, suggesting the illness might have been caused by pancreatitis, herpes and facial nerve inflammation.

He has also accused the president's office of spearheading a legal campaign to strip him of his Ukrainian citizenship.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ce08e220-59e3-11dd-90f8-000077b07658.html

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
3. Multiple examples of Putin's Poison Pills
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:29 AM
Dec 2016
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/06/01/is-putin-poisoning-his-opponents/#arvlbdata

"
Russian journalist and opposition leader Vladimir Kara-Murza remains in critical condition after having fallen ill as a result of what is feared to be poisoning...

Almost forgotten is the case of then opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko, who was poisoned in 2004 with dioxin during the Ukrainian election campaign for Presidency against Putin’s choice Viktor Yanukovych...

The most well known case is that of former KGB-officer Aleksandr Litvinenko, who died in 2006 in London as a result of poisoning with a radioactive substance...
"
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. Good thing the US has never tried to interfere in foreign elections or governments.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 11:52 AM
Dec 2016

Otherwise, we'd just have to shut the fuck up about someone trying to influence ours ...

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
9. Since every crime has at one time been committed, we can never prosecute for any crime.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:35 PM
Dec 2016

Sure, that works.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
11. I guess I need to consider Poe's law or something, and go back to do the sarcasm thingie.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:42 PM
Dec 2016

Somehow, it did not seem that my sarcasm was too obfuscated, given what everyone knows of American history of continuous interference in foreign elections, frequent invasions, covert support of regime change, overt regime change actions, assassination of foreign leaders, support of regimes known for killing liberals, .... I could go on at length.

We should not ignore the historical context of these events.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. It's not like Russia is now intervening in the USA, England, France, Germany, Holland
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 12:38 PM
Dec 2016

Has invaded the Crimea and Ukraine is now rolling missiles into Eastern Europe.

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