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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:47 PM Dec 2016

lunasun's response deserves its own thread

Stop pleading for understanding and kindness for Trump Voters

Stop.

Yes they are - even your sweet little old Auntie - racist and hateful.

All of them

I mean - All. Of. Them. - even the theoretical "kind and loving" Trump voters I keep hearing about here on DU:
Acted to support a racist campaign.
Voted for a racist agenda.
Accepted a lying sexually predatory con man, willingly.

They acted to harm my children harm my friends and put the country at risk.

If your kindly little old lady Aunt poured cyanide in my children's water, I wouldn't give a shit if she had been told it was cool aid.

-The Polack MSgt




Plenty of Auntie Millies in Germany voted for Hitler and plenty enjoyed his economic turn around

Enough of them thought it was worth what was being done to Jews to get 0% unemployment and infrastructure built . Aunt Millies didn't complain as times got better for them under Hitler and Jews got taken out of sight . Aunt Millies shopped in stores with signs that read -No Jews allowed and didn't think twice
Hitler played on fears of no hope when the economy was bad and looked for scapegoats . Jews lost German citizenship by 1935. That alone by Jews not being able to work allowed unemployment to come down in Germany for some of Aunt Millies relatives
By 1940 Aunt Millies in Italy, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Vichy France, and Croatia had all saw anti-Jewish legislation come about

We fought against Nazi Germany's and these allies military
US WWII soldiers died fighting fascism . What a disgrace to see the start here so embraced by some or aunt Millies who say who cares about Russia ? Putin is stronger than Obama and they like that authority for the US
If you are in doubt learn more about his appointments like Bannon or how Flynn agrees with trump about a Muslim registry
Am I calling all Aunt Millies Nazis? No but we have to give the stern message that many of us think that they are well on thier way to creating the same situation here in the US by putting trump and the alt right in power . Not just a yes ,I feel you pain nod.

If they are tough talking Aunt Millies who want to nuke everything and piss on the disabled and poor cuz they got thiers and fuck everyone else because rush and fox told them well then it is even worse to encourage these types saying you understand it just all the koolaid talking. No it's been accepted and voted on by aunt Millie !

-lunasun


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028411453#post113




As Hannah Arendt said "The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil."




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JHan

(10,173 posts)
1. As I see it, Understanding isn't endorsing...
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:57 PM
Dec 2016

Understanding gives you the tools to challenge them.

Depending on the type of Trump supporter, shoving their hypocrisy back in their face works. For others, a more subtle approach.

What some are doing ( And sadly this includes Leftists who should know better) is denying or excusing away the possibility that bigotry and all the other nasty isms were a motivating factor for many voters - even ignorance of Trump is no excuse.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
2. My response is the second grey box My point being once you accept the bigotry it is hard to stop
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:28 PM
Dec 2016

history shows. If it is accepted in exchange for a better economy or because of some propaganda believed doesn't matter and it doesn't take long once people buy in to get bigger and badder
It has already moved quite swiftly in the US with his first attempt to win the national election succeeding. People already are refusing to see what the bigotry can bring believing it is benign
Soon it might be too late to stop Trump and his kind .
I just have read too many articles from witnesses or relatives like the one below .

Plus in the article below it addresses trumps acceptance of torture and war crimes, which is another horror that should not be normalized here(again)
......................
My grandmother who voted for Hitler was not overly concerned about his anti-Semitism. She believed that there were indeed “some bad Jews” and that Hitler would be good for the country. But when her Jewish friends were in danger of being deported, she couldn’t understand why such good people who had never harmed anybody should be punished. My grandmother wound up hiding her Jewish friends in her attic. But it was too late to turn back.

According to The New York Times, the “new popular idol” possesses “extraordinary powers of swaying crowds to his will.” He is a “reactionary” who is “taken seriously among all classes… feared by some, enthusiastically hailed as a prophet and political economic savior by others.”
His “program is of less interest than his person” and “consists of half a dozen negative ideas clothed in generalities.” He uses racism and xenophobia “as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused and enthusiastic.”

These words were not written about Donald Trump after his latest primary win. They were written on Nov. 21, 1922, about a rising Bavarian politician named Adolf Hitler.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/09/my-grandmother-voted-for-hitler-but-then-hid-jews.html

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
6. Reminds me of Benjamin Franklin's
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:23 PM
Dec 2016

Reminds me of Benjamin Franklin's quote that people who give up freedom for security will end up with neither. People who give up liberty for prosperity will end up with neither.

yuiyoshida

(41,762 posts)
3. You have seen Trump Supporters on DU?
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:45 AM
Dec 2016
I would have thought they would have been banned, because of not being Democrats. This place is supposed to be safe place for Democrats, am I right?? Also independents that support Democrats ideals like Bernie Sanders.

I am hoping that Gavin Newsom runs in 2020. I will support him. In the mean time Democrats need a new strategy to start winning back seats in the House and Senate. We may never get a shot at the Supreme court, but we can start getting more Democratic governors on the local level, and Democratic State representatives on board. There is a lot of work to do... which includes cleaning up our voting system and preventing hackers from messing with elections.

yuiyoshida

(41,762 posts)
12. did you report them?
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:26 PM
Dec 2016

IF someone said, "Hey I voted for Trump" ...I would hit the report button, they should not be here!

yuiyoshida

(41,762 posts)
15. Anything they say if its SUSPECT than its your duty
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

to report it.Its what the MIRT team is for, its what the Jury system is for and if that doesn't work send a message to Skinner.

I was getting hate messages in my INBOX and send them along to Skinner, within minutes they were gone, banned from DU.

Again its your duty to report these folks.. people should not allow them to spurt their propaganda and be disruptive on DU.

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
10. I have! There's one that defends Trump and tells us how "nice" and "good" the
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 01:12 PM
Dec 2016

people who voted for him are at every opportunity.

And he's not alone.

yuiyoshida

(41,762 posts)
14. I would think it would be your duty to report these
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:29 PM
Dec 2016

People right away. I bet Skinner and his crew would tell you that. Even if they were Democrats, by voting for Trump they automatically disqualify themselves as being members, even star members.

We're supposed to jump on that.

Phoenix61

(16,952 posts)
4. I am not defending those who voted for Trump
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 01:06 AM
Dec 2016

but because of where I live I know a lot of them. So many just didn't bother to really listen what Trump said. They got stuck on "Crooked Hillary" or "Benghazi or "e-mails". I asked one of them, "tell me about Benghazi" and she replied "It was bad." That was it. Totally, completely clueless! Most of the others I've asked were just as well informed. I think 8 years of things slowly getting better, UE down, access to health insurance (huge around here) gave them a false sense of security. They seemed to believe it didn't matter who they voted for because nothing would really change. Things would continue to get better. I know, I know how is that possible? Most, if not all, of them get the news from one channel, yep, you got it, Fox.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. People are complicated
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:33 PM
Dec 2016

I would say anyone who voted for Orange Donald harbors some racism, even if it is not extreme. Maybe all white Americans do to some extent, even if we are liberals and don't want to be. Those few black people who voted for him, it would be hard to say why they would do that - maybe they are believers in right wing economic theory and put that first.

My father is so anti-choice, raised Catholic, that even though he does understand white privilege somewhat, he puts his abortion beliefs above all that. He would not even be against social programs, and in fact is in favor of them and would have supported FDR or JFK, say. He was a Democrat until the Republicans found they could use abortion as a wedge issue. Not sure he voted for the Orange Ass but could not have voted for Hillary as she is clearly pro-choice.


hunter

(38,264 posts)
11. I will never understand the anti-abortion fanatics.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 02:25 PM
Dec 2016

My mom is "pro life," she even had the license plate frames on her car. But at some moment she and my dad realized the only realistic way of preventing abortions was with birth control and honest explicit sex education. It may have had something to do with having more children than they could handle. (I was changing my youngest sibling's diapers when I was ten. At some point it's impossible to pretend you can't smell it. Whoever breaks down first changes the diaper...) My wife's family is similar. Our parents started out creating big Catholic families and eventually embraced birth control, perhaps just as they were running out of money for groceries and realizing the next car they'd have to buy would be a bus rather than a van or station wagon.

By the time I had even the slightest interest in sex, I knew everything about it; the good, the bad, and the ugly. I knew about birth control, protecting myself from sexually transmitted diseases, even that there were sexual predators in the world who desired children. (The last was the beginning of my mom's continuing war with the Catholic church. My mom had wanted to be a nun until she met a lecherous, smoking, hard drinking Catholic priest who obviously had a fetish for innocent young Catholic girls. Later our community suffered a pedophile priest who was quickly removed to Ireland just before the police came knocking on his door with a warrant.)

Anyways, my mom always told us she'd take in any babies we had. That was such a terrifying thought to me and my siblings, having more children crammed into our already crowded house, that none of us had children before we were married, living on our own, and able to support them. And it's not something we accomplished by abstinence or "natural" family planning.

I am absolutely certain my mom has prevented more abortions than any of the fuckwads protesting in front of Planned Parenthood. Those protesters increase the abortion rate, increase the misery, and there is NOTHING commendable about their regressive, destructive, and yes I'll say EVIL religious beliefs. I'd flip them off as I drive by, throw water balloons at them, maybe even run over any signs they've posted in the street, but I won't give them the pleasure. They get off on being "persecuted." To them that's better than sex. Instead, I'll make sure the children of their community, the children they keep in the dark, have the information they need to avoid the pitfalls of sexual relationships.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. I never will either
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 04:08 PM
Dec 2016

I've tried everything. And yet I think most Catholics do practice birth control. You don't see many families of 6 any more. So they don't follow the church on that. No way to know if they even get abortions.

I've tried arguing that Republicans are not going to do anything to do away with their wedge issue and the advantage it gives them and that even right wing judges would have to follow Roe as precedent and find a way around what it already says. That republicans kill more children with their wars or their lack of social safety net.

It really does seem true that they care about these fetuses way more than any post-born people. To a point so illogical that I think it is really about controlling women and sex. And yet it is not going to work. The toothpaste can't go back into the tube and the sexual revolution will not be undone. Even Catholics no longer live by those rules.

 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
8. I'm not lumping every single Trashpot voter into the same *basket*
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:36 PM
Dec 2016

however, a good fraction of them belong in there with the lid on.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
9. First I'll say I agree with this..
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:56 PM
Dec 2016

But I'm trying to listen to Van Jones who I respect so much. He does have a special report coming out on CNN.. I'm really trying, Van, to understand this, because what I see is 62 million American citizens voting for a racist and, basically, the death of truth.

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