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Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:18 PM

Yes, this is real: Michigan just banned banning plastic bags

By Chelsea Harvey December 30 at 9:29 AM

A new law in Michigan will prohibit local governments from banning, regulating or imposing fees on the use of plastic bags and other containers. You read that correctly: It’s not a ban on plastic bags — it’s a ban on banning plastic bags.

Michigan Lt. Gov. Brian Calley signed the new public act into law on Wednesday, along with 11 other bills. Gov. Rick Snyder is currently on vacation out of state, local news sources reported, and Calley has the authority to sign bills into law in his absence.

The new public act prohibits local ordinances from “regulating the use, disposition, or sale of, prohibiting or restricting, or imposing any fee, charge, or tax on certain containers,” including plastic bags, as well as cups, bottles and other forms of packaging. This means individual cities and municipalities are not allowed to ban plastic bags or charge customers a fee for using them.

Bans and restrictions on the use of plastic bags are widespread in other parts of the country and around the world. The rationale is simple: Plastic bags are infamous non-biodegradable sources of pollution — although they will eventually break down into tiny pieces, scientists believe this process can take hundreds of years, or even up to a millennium, in landfills.

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Reply Yes, this is real: Michigan just banned banning plastic bags (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 2016 OP
cwydro Dec 2016 #1
DonViejo Dec 2016 #5
cwydro Dec 2016 #11
RKP5637 Dec 2016 #2
LisaM Dec 2016 #3
roamer65 Dec 2016 #15
LisaM Dec 2016 #18
BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #27
DBoon Dec 2016 #29
Motley13 Dec 2016 #4
FarCenter Dec 2016 #6
Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #16
stopbush Dec 2016 #26
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #30
Freethinker65 Dec 2016 #7
roamer65 Dec 2016 #14
Vinca Dec 2016 #8
awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #13
TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #9
Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #12
Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #10
LunaSea Dec 2016 #17
Me. Dec 2016 #19
marlakay Dec 2016 #20
MrScorpio Dec 2016 #21
QED Dec 2016 #22
Cha Dec 2016 #33
QED Dec 2016 #34
Oneironaut Dec 2016 #23
LAS14 Dec 2016 #24
JSup Dec 2016 #25
csziggy Dec 2016 #28
Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #31
Cha Dec 2016 #32

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:21 PM

1. Every state should ban plastic bags.

They are poison to the environment.

In Europe people know to bring their own bags, or they have to pay a small amount for a bag.

Apparently, as usual, we're taking giant steps backward, sigh.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:24 PM

5. Every state should do what, ban the banning of plastic bags?

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:34 PM

11. Lol, I see I read too fast.

Thanks for letting me know, and I'll edit!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:21 PM

2. Some days you start to feel fuck it all, it's hopeless, you can't soar like an eagle when flying

along in the US with a bunch of turkeys.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:22 PM

3. Lunatics.

Ann Arbor had a ban all set to go into effect, too.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:17 PM

15. Retailers can just stop using them if they like.

On small purchases now I quite often say no thanks to bags. Don't need them to carry a few things.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:34 PM

18. I ride the bus a lot, so I do need bags.

But most places have paper ones (Seattle) that I can re-use and/or recycle.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:39 PM

27. Same here. I live in San Francisco.

We no longer have plastic bags, and we have to pay 10 cents for a paper bag. I always bring my own, but if I don't, it doesn't kill me to pay 10 or 20 cents.

I used to use the plastic grocery bags to pick up dog poop. Now that they are no longer available here, I can get biodegradable bags online.

Some people may bitch about the "nanny state", but this is the best thing for the environment, and we need to protect it.

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:43 PM

29. I'd rather have the "nanny state"

than the brutal abusive father state

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:23 PM

4. they can get into the Flint river,so what's the problem?



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:24 PM

6. There is very little material in a plastic bag. It takes about 200 to weigh a kilogram.

 

And what little material there is usefully sequesters carbon in the landfill.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:17 PM

16. And I use them in my trash cans

 

If they ban them, I'll just buy plastic trash bags instead, so at least now the grocery store I go is footing the bill for the bags.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:31 PM

26. Yep. I'm surprised at this bandwagon.

First off, most landfills today have a poly liner to keep toxins from leeching into the soil. That would include plastic bags.

Second, when it comes to volume, paper bags are a much bigger problem, literally. I read that it takes seven trucks of paper bags to equal one truck's- worth of plastic bags.

We need to ban paper bags if we're banning anything. Best solution is reusable bags, like we do here in CA.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 06:02 AM

30. It doesn't 'sequester' carbon; it encourages oil drilling to provide the carbon

The net result is to extract hydrocarbons from a deep, stable deposit, use some energy to manufacture it, and then leave it in an unstable surface dump. Or it might end up in an ocean.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:25 PM

7. How long before they repeal the 10 cent deposit return?

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:06 PM

14. That won't happen.

That law cleaned up the freeways immensely. If someone litters a returnable, it doesn't last long.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:25 PM

8. What do you expect? It's Michigan. People need the bags to carry their bottled water.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:36 PM

13. That made me laugh...

 

and feel sad at the same time.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:28 PM

9. yeah, small government... right. nt

 

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:34 PM

12. they only like small government when it comes to corps

they like laws restricting people

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 06:31 PM

10. a good use for hemp

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:21 PM

17. Michigan Governor smothered by mountain of polymer.....

That would be a terrible headline....but I'd be willing to sent him my household accumulation of the damned things, since he's quite the fan.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:01 PM

19. Nevermind That....

“Researchers found that nearly 10,000 metric tons — or 22 million pounds — of plastic debris enter the Great Lakes every year from the United States and Canada. The news represents a setback to efforts to clean the lakes, which have received support from recent legislation.”

http://247wallst.com/economy/2016/12/24/10000-tons-of-plastic-dumped-into-great-lakes-each-year/

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:12 PM

20. They tried to undo it in CA by making us vote for it

And we did, overwhelmingly we wanted to help the environment. I am proud of my state.

I have been using canvas bags for years, bought them for my kids and husband. Buy cute ones that say fun things so they want to use. I have one that says, my bookclub only reads wine labels.

My husbands says "my wife gave me this to help the environment". He says the clerks laugh at it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:17 PM

21. Welcome to Republican Hell

FDT.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:25 PM

22. The Arizona Legislature did the same thing

after progressive Tempe passed a ban.

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Response to QED (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 06:15 AM

33. So can they still ban them in Tempe? I imagine Tucson

is Progressive, too, no?

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Response to Cha (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 01:29 PM

34. I don't think so.

What gets me is that people claim to be fed up with our RW Legislature but most incumbents won reelection.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:57 PM

23. That's total nonsense. Otherwise, every bill ever would have a ban on banning it.

This would lead to archaic laws still being on the books 100 years past their actual use. I'm no law student, but I can't imagine this is even valid.

One would also think you could just repeal the ban-ban. I'm glad to see state government time is being put to good use these days.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:59 PM

24. And so it begins...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 09:35 PM

25. So, when...

...libs get into power do we institute a ban on pre-emptive bans of bans?

Or try to get an amendment so that States could stop smothering local government.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:40 PM

28. The cities that want to ban the bags should collect and deliver them to the governor

If he won't let the local governments make their own choices about these things, then HE and his pet legislators can do something with all the bags.

On the other hand, individuals can work towards cutting the use of plastic bags. My husband and I take re-usable bags with us and seldom get plastic bags. In fact we have to plan to pick up some plastic and some paper bags since we use the ones we do bring home to line our garbage cans rather than purchase plastic can liners. Our kitchen cans are sized to fit paper grocery sacks, the plastic bags are for the bathroom and family room cans. We only change the bags when they start to come apart or if something sticky ends up in them, so that is maybe two bags a year per garbage can.

The excess plastic bags and foam containers are bagged right now to take and put into the recycling bin at the grocery store. We hauled garbage to the dump today - five large cans of recycling, one large can of garbage, and two items (broken microwave and iron) to the electronic recycling area. That is two months' worth of trash from our house.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 06:08 AM

31. What next? Ban the banning of lead in tap water? n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 06:13 AM

32. We banned them for real in Hawaii.. we care about our environment and

the Planet's.

The greasy greedy repubs in Michigan don't.

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