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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:55 PM Apr 2017

Why do hard working middle class people want to eliminate "wellness care?"

Do they know what it is?

Do they know who made it mandatory and that there is NO cost for it if you have any health insurance?

Do they know who is going to take it away from them?



Same question for preexisting condition clauses, why do they want them back?

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Why do hard working middle class people want to eliminate "wellness care?" (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 OP
many middle class people see themselves as more like the top wealthy JI7 Apr 2017 #1
Because they don't understand it. MineralMan Apr 2017 #2
many people dont understand insurance oldtime dfl_er Apr 2017 #3
They have insurance through their work Freddie Apr 2017 #4
Most people don't understand insurance Horse with no Name Apr 2017 #5
How about Wellness Genetic Testing? HockeyMom Apr 2017 #6
Cause they think they are paying for some free-loading foreigner to get something for free kydo Apr 2017 #7
Some folks go to the doctor every time they have a cold greymattermom Apr 2017 #8
Let em die in that one case they need it? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #10
Because "liberals" think it's a good idea Cosmocat Apr 2017 #9
Give this man a cigar. Or woman. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #11

JI7

(89,182 posts)
1. many middle class people see themselves as more like the top wealthy
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:59 PM
Apr 2017

Than anyone with less than them. Even though they are one job loss, one illness etc away from being in the same situation.

in many cases they are too worried about certain people taking away from them.

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
2. Because they don't understand it.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:01 PM
Apr 2017

The only time this 71-year-old man normally sees my primary care doctor is once a year for my Medicare wellness exam. If I feel ill or have a health issue in the interim, I make an appointment to address that, but such a thing is very rare for me.

At the wellness exam, my meds are reviewed and adjusted, based on the tests that are done at that time. I have a conversation with my primary care doctor and he does a pretty cursory physical exam. Blood is drawn for an extensive series of blood tests and I do an occult blood stool sample test.

Then, I get my prescriptions for a year and go about my business. If something comes up during the year, I go in and see him to deal with that. Last year, I had a cellulitis that needed some antibiotics, so I went in. Mostly, though, I only see him once a year.

oldtime dfl_er

(6,930 posts)
3. many people dont understand insurance
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:09 PM
Apr 2017

This doesn't relate specifically to your question, but rather it's a general observation. Many people don't feel like "their" insurance should go to pay for other peoples' health care. They have no concept of what insurance is about or how it works. They don't understand that one day, when THEY get sick, other peoples' premiums will help keep their costs down.

Freddie

(9,232 posts)
4. They have insurance through their work
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:13 PM
Apr 2017

And can't fathom that many people don't. And typical Repugs, they have no concept unless it directly happens to them.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
5. Most people don't understand insurance
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:21 PM
Apr 2017

They don't know what copays and coinsurance and deductibles and out of pocket maximums are.
When given the choice, the insurance illiterate will always choose the cheap policy--looking only at premium cost without taking into consideration prescription copays vs. medical office copays vs. hospital copays vs. radiology copays vs. lab copays.
They will buy a cheap policy and then complain that they can't afford to use it.
I've had serious health conditions for many years. I can tear apart a policy in 10 minutes and figure out if it will serve my needs based on my health history.
In the case of insurance, cheaper premiums aren't always cheap. Not everyone understands that.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
6. How about Wellness Genetic Testing?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

to see if employees are predisposed to let's say Breast Cancer? Have your premiums increased as a "pre-existing" condition? Recommend a a Mastectomy to prevent cancer? Who else would have access to your DNA? If you refuse genetic testing, increase your premiums?

Ever have a Workplace Wellness Program? They are extremely intrusive. I'm not even talking about the mandatory blood tests (JW's objected to that), H/W Measurements (for obese size 0's?), Gym Memberships for staff who pushed around wheelchairs and lifted 150 lb. teenagers all day, etc.

How about asking under 30 staff, and their spouses, if they were planning on having their first child soon since it was healthier to have children YOUNG. Telling staff when to have children is part of a "Health Plan"? "Does the Wellness Program offer a Dating Service since I'm not seeing anyone right now". "Does the Wellness Program offer IVF treatments for Lesbians?" Two of my coworkers wrote this on their Questionnaire. Why don't employees like Wellness Programs?

After my own experience with an Employee Wellness Program, it doesn't surprise me that Genetic Testing, and all the Civil Rights ramifications, would be next.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/03/11/employees-who-decline-genetic-testing-could-face-penalities-under-proposed-bill/?utm_term=.8d4aac11ca00

Bill sponsored by a Republican and opposed by Democrats. You cannot see WHY?

kydo

(2,679 posts)
7. Cause they think they are paying for some free-loading foreigner to get something for free
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 01:33 PM
Apr 2017

And they can't stand that thought. Even though it has nothing to do with that, they are a special kind of extra stupid.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
8. Some folks go to the doctor every time they have a cold
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 02:03 PM
Apr 2017

and walk away with Z pack prescriptions. Should that be covered? Just asking.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
10. Let em die in that one case they need it?
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 07:27 PM
Apr 2017

You choose to point out the RARE statistically speaking situation so as to advocate for health insurance company exec profits?

weird

Without googling, do you know what wellness care is? Who made it possible for you? What the costs are to you?

p.s. your response makes me want to run screaming into a brick wall, head first.

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