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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Mon May 29, 2017, 02:18 PM May 2017

It's getting harder to say Russian meddling didn't actually help lead to Trump's victory...

and Clinton's loss

Source: CNN, by Z. Byron Wolf

Before we get to James Comey, fake Russian intelligence and the fact that it's getting very hard to say the Russians didn't affect the outcome of the election, let's start this with the obvious caveat that there were a great many factors that led to Hillary Clinton's loss to Donald Trump.

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Here's an argument explaining how the Russians' fake memo works its way to influencing American politics:

The Washington Post report suggests it was the flawed memo "faked" by Russians that led Comey to announce in July of 2016 that there was not enough evidence to bring charges against Clinton or her staffers for their treatment of classified information during her time as secretary of state.

The fake information was apparently within a Russian intelligence document obtained by the FBI. It was supposed to describe -- and remember this is now believed to be disinformation -- an email between then-DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the leader of a group funded by Democratic mega-donor George Soros in which she expressed an understanding that the Justice Department would slow-walk its investigation into Clinton's email.

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The horrendous optics created by the former president meeting with the attorney general and the knowledge that the fake intelligence existed are what combined to spur Comey forward. He was worried, apparently, that if the memo leaked, it would further conspiracy theories.

So he went public not with the whole truth, but a sort of political chess move to protect his agency.

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"I think one of the lessons that the Russians may have drawn from this is: this works," Comey said.

Read it all at: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/27/politics/russian-memo-2016-election-schultz-comey-clinton/index.html

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It's getting harder to say Russian meddling didn't actually help lead to Trump's victory... (Original Post) yallerdawg May 2017 OP
harder for some to say. Many of us here use another word..."stolen" for Trump NRaleighLiberal May 2017 #1
That was not "meddling" That was Sabotage! WhiteTara May 2017 #2
Absolutely it was! Initech May 2017 #4
For me it is the Story of Comey going full on Wellstone ruled May 2017 #3
The question is, can anyone show evidence Trump was directly involved, either by ordering Hoyt May 2017 #5
I'm hoping we hound him out of office! yallerdawg May 2017 #6
That is a possibility, but I think that if there is no evidence, GOPers will use it against us. Hoyt May 2017 #7

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
1. harder for some to say. Many of us here use another word..."stolen" for Trump
Mon May 29, 2017, 02:21 PM
May 2017

and suspected it from the very beginning.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. For me it is the Story of Comey going full on
Mon May 29, 2017, 02:33 PM
May 2017

partisan. There were stories early on about Rudy Giuliani running a Rogue info group in New York,and that seemed to be the Compromise for Comey.


Yes,this past election was stolen and the evidence of Machine Tampering will come to light shortly. Saying this because of a Law Suite in Georgia 6 th claiming the Three Machine Vendors do not have secure machines.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. The question is, can anyone show evidence Trump was directly involved, either by ordering
Mon May 29, 2017, 02:54 PM
May 2017

his aides to work with Ruskies, or Trump communicating with them directly?

Until evidence of that is available, Trump will survive (unless they can get him on obstruction).

The truth is, it's not like we haven't meddled in Russian and other country's elections.

". . . . . . The Clintons feature prominently in these past cases of US interference in Russian domestic politics. Under Bill Clinton’s watch, the United States actively supported Boris Yeltsin’s retention of power. Clinton’s commitment to Yeltsin did not waver during the 1990s, despite widespread Russian public antipathy towards his economic policies and serious doubts about his competence to serve as president.

"The negative memories of the 1990s transition period have caused Putin’s allies to view US support for Yeltsin as an act of hostility towards Russia. As some of Putin’s allies sympathized with the authoritarian ambitions of the 1991 coup plotters, allegations that US officials handed over secure codes used by coup plotting Soviet generals to Yeltsin have engendered particular animosity. The Russian state media has also described the active involvement of US political consultants in Yeltsin’s come-from-behind presidential election triumph in 1996 as an egregious violation of Russia’s sovereignty.

"Since the colored revolutions of the mid-2000s, Kremlin policymakers have embraced the view that US involvement in the electoral processes of Russia and other CIS countries is motivated by a pernicious desire to prevent Russia’s re-emergence as a great power. The 2011-12 Russian election protests consolidated this negative view of Washington’s intentions. . . . . . "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel-ramani/why-russia-is-interfering_b_12801892.html

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. I'm hoping we hound him out of office!
Mon May 29, 2017, 03:11 PM
May 2017

When he can't accomplish anything, when his associates are all maligned, when Republicans abandon him - even if it's just on perception! - he'll be gone, and we'll have done ourselves and the world a great remedy to an error we made!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. That is a possibility, but I think that if there is no evidence, GOPers will use it against us.
Mon May 29, 2017, 03:16 PM
May 2017

I don't think Pence, Ryan or whatever GOPer they elavate in the succession, will be much better. Might even be worse -- think Pence dealing with healthcare.

But, we might weaken Trump, with emphasis on "might."

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