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Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 11:57 AM Jul 2017

Just thought of this. If Mueller gets Trump's tax returns they can also

be accessed from the Freedom of Information Act.

I don't see why that information would be classified.



"Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Guidelines
A. The Scope of the Freedom of Information Act
All IRS records are subject to FOIA requests. However, FOIA does not require the IRS to release
all documents that are subject to FOIA requests. The IRS may withhold information pursuant to
nine exemptions and three exclusions contained in the FOIA statute.
The Freedom of Information Act applies to records either created or obtained by an agency and
under agency control at the time of the FOIA request. Agencies within the executive branch of the
federal government, including the Executive Office of the President and independent regulatory
agencies are subject to the FOIA.
State governments, municipal corporations, the courts,
Congress and private citizens are not subject to the FOIA.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/irs_foia_guide.pdf

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Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
2. IRS disclosure office
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jul 2017
https://www.irs.gov/uac/irs-disclosure-offices


Submitting Your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Request to IRS (PLEASE NOTE: Fax numbers are for FOIA request submissions only) IRS accepts FOIA requests by fax or by mail

If your request is for IRS Headquarters Office records not available at the Electronic Reading Room site:

Fax: 877-807-9215
Mail: IRS FOIA Request
HQ FOIA
Stop 211
PO Box 621506
Atlanta, GA 30362-3006

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
3. A separate law makes tax returns private
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jul 2017

Nixon abused his access to tax returns of enemies so they passed a law making them private.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
5. Trump is not a private citizen and it Mueller gets them it should be for public viewing
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:31 PM
Jul 2017

Agencies within the executive branch of the
federal government, including the Executive Office of the President and independent regulatory
agencies are subject to the FOIA.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
7. I bet the foia exempts some things, including tax returns
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 04:38 PM
Jul 2017

I bet the foia law explicitly excludes tax returns

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. Tax returns are not subject to FOIA
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jul 2017

Mueller can subpoena the returns, but that still doesn't make them FOIAable. The only way they will ever be oublic is if introduced as evidence in a legal proceeding.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
6. That's what I mean. If Mueller gets them, and he probably has
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 01:32 PM
Jul 2017

then they should be available to the public as they are now part of the Legal departments

Jersey Devil

(9,863 posts)
12. No, it does not work that way
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:29 PM
Jul 2017

If Mueller gets the tax returns it will be under grand jury subpoena and he cannot disclose them because they are protected by the secrecy of the grand jury process and the rules of criminal procedure. Even if there were an indictment and trial they could not be released, unless at the time of trial they are entered into evidence.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
13. Well I never say never and that is why I posted this. Because someone
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 09:19 PM
Jul 2017

seeing it may be able to figure out a way of of getting the returns. All Grand Jury information is not necessarily closed to the public and there might not be a Grand Jury set up when they are requested.

Congress has already requested the information but I can't see what came of that.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
9. If Mueller gets Trump's tax returns they may be able to be also gotten
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:24 PM
Jul 2017

to gotten by a private citizen through the Freedom of Information Act.

Also the president is not a private citizen, he is the Commander in chief so, according to the requirements I posted he is not protected as a private citizen would be with regards to their tax returns.

And, if it is being used in a criminal investigation I think it could be gotten then also.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
10. Wait a minute. Did you just ask what I would hope to garner from Trump's
Fri Jul 21, 2017, 08:25 PM
Jul 2017

tax returns?????

His connections with Russia. The money Russia is giving him! The money Russia is laundering through his businesses!

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