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On MSNBC just now,Mike Rowe and Chuck Todd blamed unemployment on people not being willing to travel (Original Post) Ken Burch Sep 2017 OP
Back to the "good old days... " orangecrush Sep 2017 #1
It worked so well in the past ornotna Sep 2017 #36
Now, in this more enlightened time, orangecrush Sep 2017 #45
I better brush up on my freight train rundown skills. Blue_true Sep 2017 #65
Too old here orangecrush Sep 2017 #66
Maybe that is what people like Trump wants. Most people to him are worth more dead than alive. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #71
True fact orangecrush Sep 2017 #99
Grapes of wrath ...an employment guide??? dembotoz Sep 2017 #82
It was supposed to be a novel orangecrush Sep 2017 #98
I hear that argument all the time Phoenix61 Sep 2017 #2
Good luck renting a place in your new town without paystubs too. LeftyMom Sep 2017 #80
Better than blaming it on people not willing to work... johnsonsnap Sep 2017 #3
OK...people have to be able to physically GET to where the jobs are. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #5
I read HRC's plan for training and employment and it included funding subsidizing relocation for haveahart Sep 2017 #22
Are those the kind of jobs most jobless people would be qualified for? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29
We need to get people qualified for teh jobs that exist and will exist... Adrahil Sep 2017 #76
I assume then you offer relocation services? Lochloosa Sep 2017 #15
Good point johnsonsnap Sep 2017 #43
My company does. Adrahil Sep 2017 #78
You know my hubs is looking for work and there are multiple applicants for most jobs...so I suspect Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #90
Different angle of the same argument. Caliman73 Sep 2017 #93
the well off have the money to travelvto look for work Stargazer99 Sep 2017 #4
MSNBC has been shit all day jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #6
Are they even on tonight? TexasTowelie Sep 2017 #11
brand new Rachel and Lawrence tonite jodymarie aimee Sep 2017 #21
Not brand new, these are reruns. Nt lostnfound Sep 2017 #73
Won't travel? stopbush Sep 2017 #7
The jobs Mike Rowe promotes are more labor and trade skill jobs JDC Sep 2017 #10
Labor and trade skill jobs are scarcer than ever. haele Sep 2017 #96
Unfortunately many years before the last recession I fell for this and it was painfully obvious lunasun Sep 2017 #44
Traveling anywhere costs a bundle of dough$$$$. democratisphere Sep 2017 #8
Some people will travel long distances for work but now there's this fucking wall in the way. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #9
Mike Rowe is a fucking TV personality trading in blue-collar chic. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #12
I agree. He's a right-wing phony. Lanius Sep 2017 #30
Yup,that is what the skinny is with this Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #63
Ugh Lotusflower70 Sep 2017 #13
This is EXACTLY why this is such a ridiculous statement..... a kennedy Sep 2017 #17
I'm lucky if I have enough money at the end of month kacekwl Sep 2017 #62
There is also relocation of businesses to consider tymorial Sep 2017 #14
Like the people from Mexico Guatemala or Honduras who come here? underpants Sep 2017 #16
I didn't see the segment but they have a point. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #18
Afluent peope buy things DBoon Sep 2017 #19
Agree completely. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #97
Highly likely they don't have the money to move. CozyMystery Sep 2017 #20
In many cases, probably true. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #91
The problem is that the jobs in other areas don't pay enough to compensate meadowlander Sep 2017 #95
I camped in a tent for 5 weeks to take a job Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #23
So you were 22 or so? No kids, no real bills I assume ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #31
I thought It was a very good story. I didn't feel I had to assume anything. Demit Sep 2017 #37
That was my case, young, no kids, no wife, just me. nt Blue_true Sep 2017 #68
Pretty close- although I know someone with 3 kids who did the same Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #81
I respect what you did there and anyone else who manages to survive things like that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #38
When I got my first job, my parents could not help me. Blue_true Sep 2017 #67
Creative, though irrelevant anecdotal data which supports no particular premise LanternWaste Sep 2017 #87
Fuck Mike Rowe n/t theaocp Sep 2017 #24
Not 'til after he's been power-washed. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #39
In addition to the direct cost of moving, once you get to a new city, before you even have tblue37 Sep 2017 #25
Even if they do, it's a risk in the work environment of today. A lot of jobs are contract My cousin lunasun Sep 2017 #47
Thank you. NT raccoon Sep 2017 #83
Just like, "they should become citizens," as if it is as Ilsa Sep 2017 #26
That's not even close to what they said. Agschmid Sep 2017 #27
I watched what they said. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #32
Rowe thinks he's a real worker because he plays one on TV: WinkyDink Sep 2017 #35
You ask: What kind of life can THAT be? lunasun Sep 2017 #48
Exactly. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #50
Resettling for work makes sense when you can be sure it will turn into a career. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #28
Other than on Wall Street, careers no longer exist in this country. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #33
And what of the rents/housing costs in those new-job places? More to the point, WHO SAYS THEIR CLAIM WinkyDink Sep 2017 #34
Do YOU think college is for everyone? Demit Sep 2017 #40
No-but it should be easily affordable for all who want it... Ken Burch Sep 2017 #42
Rowe doesn't get that point that it should be more accessible to those who want it . No one will lunasun Sep 2017 #52
Skilled trades jobs often make more than EllieBC Sep 2017 #77
I think if the first two years (aka, community/junior college) were free and stressed the Liberal WinkyDink Sep 2017 #56
What is Mike Rowe doing on MSNBC, anyway? Different Drummer Sep 2017 #41
Actually he isn't really Sailor65x1 Sep 2017 #69
Cue Grumpy Old Man from old SNL skit NotASurfer Sep 2017 #46
And his English cousins: Ken Burch Sep 2017 #53
Railroad security is to the extreme now for many reasons , insurance, terrorist targets, etc. not lunasun Sep 2017 #54
I got this lecture from the student loan people neeksgeek Sep 2017 #49
Not being able to travel to find non-existent "good jobs"? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #51
Explore job openings in Dallas/Fort Worth Area - More than 127,000 new jobs are available now snooper2 Sep 2017 #88
Not all people are qualifiewd for the few jobs listed. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #92
Remember people were not trying to borrow $10,000.00 from thier parents to start lunasun Sep 2017 #55
that is bullshit anyway. I have personally known two people in the last 4 or 5 years Thomas Hurt Sep 2017 #57
But wouldn't you first need about $ 120,000.00 or so to get through pharmacy school? lunasun Sep 2017 #61
obviously Thomas Hurt Sep 2017 #64
white entitle guys who have a paycheck have ZERO understanding of those beachbum bob Sep 2017 #58
Mike Rowe still around benld74 Sep 2017 #59
I caught the very end of that conversation trc Sep 2017 #60
Actually, if you pay attention Sailor65x1 Sep 2017 #70
That's not what he said tonight SharonClark Sep 2017 #72
He said nothing on that show about business having any responsibility to help people relocate. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #94
I've lived in 4 different cities for work and one move devastated the family lostnfound Sep 2017 #74
TBH, the problem right now isn't really unemployment... Adrahil Sep 2017 #75
Economic victim blaming. TeamPooka Sep 2017 #79
Dirty Jobs Mike Rowe? HAB911 Sep 2017 #84
Rowe is a Republican tone-policing clownshoe who blamed "TEH MEEN LEFT" for Trump. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #85
I guess I should pack up my bindle and hop a freight. bluedigger Sep 2017 #86
Hubs is an engineer as you know...he is looking for work everywhere...at his level he gets phone Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #89

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
65. I better brush up on my freight train rundown skills.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:45 PM
Sep 2017

Those new enclosed boxcars and oil tankers can be a problem though. I guess I need to practice hanging on while slobbering like a Saint Bernard. It all should make interviews go smashingly well. Now, I wake up.

Phoenix61

(16,952 posts)
2. I hear that argument all the time
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:51 PM
Sep 2017

Where are they supposed to live without a job? What are their children supposed to do? They'll bring people here from overseas to work and give them a place to live but won't do that for US citizens. Argh!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
80. Good luck renting a place in your new town without paystubs too.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 11:52 PM
Sep 2017

I used to manage rentals and the property owner would have flayed me alive if I rented a place to somebody who wasn't securely employed locally.

 

johnsonsnap

(56 posts)
3. Better than blaming it on people not willing to work...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:51 PM
Sep 2017

like they usually do. Of course, we have a lot of open positions and not enough applicants, so I hate myself for sorta agreeing with them.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
5. OK...people have to be able to physically GET to where the jobs are.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:55 PM
Sep 2017

You can't just walk across the country seeking jobs.

You have to be able to acquire food and places to sleep while you travel, and you need a train, bus, or plane ticket or a functional car.

It's insulting and out-of-touch for these guys to act like people just aren't trying hard enough to get work.

 

haveahart

(905 posts)
22. I read HRC's plan for training and employment and it included funding subsidizing relocation for
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:56 PM
Sep 2017

some jobs.

Also, what happened to corporations paying relocation expenses for certain specialty jobs? The government does this all the time or they used to do it for EU immigrants coming into the country to work in biomedical research. It seems to me that infrastructure is fast becoming a specialty job especially for solid waste disposal, building, healthcare.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
29. Are those the kind of jobs most jobless people would be qualified for?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:09 PM
Sep 2017

I'm glad HRC's plan included this.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
76. We need to get people qualified for teh jobs that exist and will exist...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:48 PM
Sep 2017

rather than being like Cnut and trying to order the tide not to come in.

Good paying blue-collar manufacturing jobs will not be coming back in the long term.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
78. My company does.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:50 PM
Sep 2017

Anyone we hire can qualify for a relocation bonus and can take a zero interest loan up to 1/4 first year salary for relocation expenses. That's from the most junior apprentice wireman to the most qualified engineer.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
90. You know my hubs is looking for work and there are multiple applicants for most jobs...so I suspect
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:37 AM
Sep 2017

that there is more to your story...and I don't 'agree ' with them.

Caliman73

(11,694 posts)
93. Different angle of the same argument.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:39 PM
Sep 2017

They are saying that people aren't willing to uproot themselves and their families to look for jobs. That is a backdoor way of saying that people are willing to do what it takes to work. It is easy to criticize when you have stable employment and are just looking for a different job than what you have.

Stargazer99

(2,539 posts)
4. the well off have the money to travelvto look for work
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:54 PM
Sep 2017

they don't think beyond that...they have not experienced it....good reason why they should not be in charge of our political system

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
6. MSNBC has been shit all day
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:58 PM
Sep 2017

each time I turned over to it...wait until Rachel and Lawrence for any decent coverage. Deny them the ratings in the daytime.

stopbush

(24,378 posts)
7. Won't travel?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 05:59 PM
Sep 2017

First of all, if you're looking for a McJob, they are available everywhere at the same shit wages. No need to travel.

If you're looking for an upper management job, most are listed on job boards or are handled by recruiters. No need to travel until you've made it past the first couple of rounds of the interview process. Many early-in-the-process interviews are done via Skype these days.

Middle management jobs? You might find something on a job board, but most of the time you need to know the hiring agent. The majority of these jobs are already pegged as promotions for internal candidates. HR only sees outside candidates to fulfill EOE rules. No need to travel to play the patsy who allows HR to check their EOE box at your expense.

JDC

(10,081 posts)
10. The jobs Mike Rowe promotes are more labor and trade skill jobs
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:04 PM
Sep 2017

I didn't see the show, but I ve seen his push to get Americans to do more Blue Collar jobs before.

haele

(12,581 posts)
96. Labor and trade skill jobs are scarcer than ever.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 04:29 PM
Sep 2017

Mostly because of the decline in unions that protect skilled labor and trades.
Also, even Plumbers and HVAC workers are feeling the affects of improved technology and "higher production" measures; where once two workers might be sent out because there was welding or electrical work, I've noticed that only one tends to go out now.

Haele

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
44. Unfortunately many years before the last recession I fell for this and it was painfully obvious
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:58 PM
Sep 2017

once I got there, that they had no interest in interviewing me and I was a needed token for a big corporation. They pretty much said it but sly enough not to be used as discrimination and I left feeling used
The problem was it was not through a recruiter.
I found the opening on my own through a career fair I attended and it was about 2 hrs travel to another city
So I was young and learned my lesson of how recruiters cut through corporate bullshit enough to get commission placing workers for real openings and not by playing the corporation games and why I needed an agent of sorts for placement.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. Traveling anywhere costs a bundle of dough$$$$.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:03 PM
Sep 2017

Millionaires and Billionaires running the show don't even begin to understand the struggles of the masses.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
63. Yup,that is what the skinny is with this
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:32 PM
Sep 2017

Guy. Multi-Millionaire Reality TV Star. Hummmmm,who else do we know that fills this same picture.

Dipstick Donnie and Family is just a hint.

a kennedy

(29,464 posts)
17. This is EXACTLY why this is such a ridiculous statement.....
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:36 PM
Sep 2017

THEY HAVE NO MONEY TO MOVE. It's that simple.....ugh.......

kacekwl

(6,994 posts)
62. I'm lucky if I have enough money at the end of month
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:18 PM
Sep 2017

to get to work let alone get to another state to maybe find a job.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
14. There is also relocation of businesses to consider
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:14 PM
Sep 2017

Such as here in the Boston area where corporations are relocating due to tax advantage. Yet the cost of living is extremely high and the housing market is extremely competitive and prohibitively expensive do to availability and location. The average house in Massachusetts goes for roughly 340k. In the Boston area that would be a small home or something with problems.

My wife was just promoted at her employer and she is doing very well now. It would make no sense for her to move but we want to buy a house. Though we make a decent living we have never been in the market, we rent. With a baby in the cost-of-living the way it is it is difficult for us to save the amount of money to afford a downpayment on a nice home or even a home like I cited above. As a result we are looking in northern Rhode Island because the housing is far more reasonable even though it means a long commute.

If I was working for GE Healthcare for example I'm not sure I would want to relocate to Boston when the move takes place.

To put it into perspective,. We rent a raised ranch. My wife has lived here for almost 17 years with roommates until I moved in. This is a nice home but it needs a lot of work. It is your average raised range with a garage. 3 bedrooms 2 bath. This house would easily sell for 700k. It is preposterous thankfully the landlord has never raised our rent so it's not cost prohibitive. If we moved to another rental we would downsize. We fee very much stuck.

underpants

(182,278 posts)
16. Like the people from Mexico Guatemala or Honduras who come here?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:30 PM
Sep 2017

I get his point, there are plenty of jobs in South Dakota. Pick up and move there and the wire money back to your house.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
18. I didn't see the segment but they have a point.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:48 PM
Sep 2017

There are jobs but the problem is that many if not most of them are not in small rural communities. So many of those communities are dying. I saw them in rural Alabama, Mississippi, and now in western Colorado. Very small communities.

But these communities are their residents' lives. The residents are very close knit, and support each other. If your mom is sick, people bring dinners until she is well. There is a sense of security and community there that you do not find in larger towns and cities.

So people are afraid to leave and for good reason. But if they are unemployed, leaving is the only way they will find work. And there is work if they will go and look for it. And that will not change.

So they must assume some responsibility for their predicament.

DBoon

(22,286 posts)
19. Afluent peope buy things
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:53 PM
Sep 2017

People with modest means rely on social networks to hep them get by

Moving for a new job means shredding those networks. Someone with the means to buy everything they have does not have this problem.

The commentators come from a class where moving across country is just a tax deductible investment. They don't depend on family, friends and neighbors to help out.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
97. Agree completely.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 07:25 PM
Sep 2017

Leaving their towns exacts a tremendous price.

Ultimately, it comes to a making choice. Make $$$ by leaving your home and cherished community, or staying and living with the significant costs that come with an inadequate income.

Terrible options, but the facts. I wish there were better options but doubt that there will be.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
91. In many cases, probably true.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:41 AM
Sep 2017

But it's also true that in many of those cases, looking for work beyond their community is still possible. Very, very difficult but possible.



meadowlander

(4,358 posts)
95. The problem is that the jobs in other areas don't pay enough to compensate
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 04:03 PM
Sep 2017

for the lack of a social support network in the new area.

If you have kids and live in the neighbourhood where you grew up with family and friends you potentially have a pool of free rent (crash with relatives for a while), free babysitting from the grandparents, free transport carpooling with people you know, free secondhand shit when your richer relatives upgrade their TVs, cars, clothes, etc., free food at family dinners.

If you take a minimum wage job too far away from that social support network you have to pay for your own babysitting (which costs more than your salary), if you can't pay rent, you're out on the street, you have to pay for transport and miss out on freebies and communal meals.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
23. I camped in a tent for 5 weeks to take a job
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 06:58 PM
Sep 2017

My first "real" job out of college. Got an offer but had to start in 4 days. At the time my mom was battling cancer and my dad has his hands full with caring for her and the expenses so I didn't want to ask them so I told them I had a place to stay.

I stayed in a state park campground 2 weeks until I maxed out the time allowed, then paid to rent camp at a campground. Ate breakfast at the Waffle House, lunch I made in the break room, I made dinner in the break room or cooked on a camp stove.

It was October into November so getting cold, but I made it. Got two paychecks in and combined with what savings I had moved into my first solo apartment.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
81. Pretty close- although I know someone with 3 kids who did the same
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 06:40 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Tue Sep 5, 2017, 08:57 AM - Edit history (1)

She got a chance at a great job that would pay well over what she made, but had to start ASAP. The new job was about 300 miles away but would pay $40,000 vs her current job that was just under $30,000.

It was a few weeks before the end of the school year, so she went and had family friends watch the kids. I watched them for a week and her sister did 2 weeks. Then she got the kids and they packed everything and took it there into storage and they tent camped another 2-3 weeks as a family. Talking to her she said while it would have been a pain she would have moved the kids right away had it been necessary, the schools there were on a one week shorter schedule so it would have just meant about 10 days in the new one.

She snagged a great house to rent in the meantime and they got in it and a few years later she actually bought the home from her landlord. Still works for that agency and I bet with her promotions is pushing $55,000+ a year now.

No, not everybody can do it. But is more doable and feasible than most people think. You can make excuses and not try or you can rush forward and just get it done. For more people than you realize it is probably doable. A lot of people I went to school with told me "just forget about it no job is worth that" when I told them my plan, or said there was no way they would do what I did. They all were every bit as capable of it as me, they just didn't want to.

If moving means finding better employment and a better prospect for the future people should do everything they can to make that work, and we should be trying to find every way to help them instead of making every excuse for them.

I'm not saying every can, or should move to get a better job. What I am saying is that there are a lot of people who could do it who are unwilling to for whatever reason. You may hate him or what he has to say, but what he said is a valid statement for a lot of people. Not everyone can, for sure, but not everyone has a valid reason to not move when opportunity presents itself either.

I know I guy who 3 years ago saved up his money, bought an older camper trailer for about $1800, spent about $1200 more fixing it up, adding solar panels, etc. Once it was done he hooked to his truck and took off for oilfield work in SD leaving his family in NC. He works 60-80 hours a week, flys home to see his family every other month. But he is making well over $100,000 a year where he was making $35,000 doing the same work here as a heavy truck mechanic. His wife told me that in another 6 months they will have the home and land they own fully paid off, a shop building for him on the property and he will be back and will be running his own shop back here, with the home paid and a comfortable amount in savings he will be able to work 4 days a week doing fleet maintenance and they will be very comfortable.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
38. I respect what you did there and anyone else who manages to survive things like that.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:39 PM
Sep 2017

The point is, in a land with THIS much massive wealth, no one should have to go through all that just to work.

Parents with small kids or people who have to take care of sick or elderly relatives can't be expected to subject themselves and their family to what you went through.

Those on top shouldn't be putting those with nothing through that kind of experience. Re-employment after the system puts you out of work should not be punishment for being out of work.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
67. When I got my first job, my parents could not help me.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:58 PM
Sep 2017

I was a degreed engineer so my starting salary was decent. The mover moved just one box for me. The company that I worked for was decent, I stayed in a hotel it paid for for a month until I found a one bedroom apartment. I slept on the floor until I had enough to buy furniture, I was hired in May and had saved enough by October to have furniture and look for a used car.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
87. Creative, though irrelevant anecdotal data which supports no particular premise
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:49 AM
Sep 2017

Creative, though irrelevant anecdotal data which supports no particular premise as it cowers coyly behind the Horatio Alger myth.

tblue37

(64,980 posts)
25. In addition to the direct cost of moving, once you get to a new city, before you even have
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:02 PM
Sep 2017

w job, you have to come up with significant deposits for rent and utilities. People without jobs, or with jobs that pay poorly, won't have the large sums necessary to cover all those expenses.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
47. Even if they do, it's a risk in the work environment of today. A lot of jobs are contract My cousin
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:13 PM
Sep 2017

did this with a wife and child put down the deposit , signed a lease , moved in and went in the first day of a 12- 18 month estimated contract job in another city and was told he wouldn't be needed past the week as the the project was off, and yes since it was short notice, they paid him for a few weeks, maybe a month of pay but all of it went to coming to and leaving a town he did not have a job in as it turned out.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
26. Just like, "they should become citizens," as if it is as
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:06 PM
Sep 2017

easy and cheap as filling out a voter registration card or your NCAA Basketball tournament bracket.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
32. I watched what they said.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:16 PM
Sep 2017

They clearly said that most people could get jobs if only they traveled to where the jobs supposedly were. Mike Rowe followed that up with a deeply insulting remark about how "sedentary" this country has become.

And the problem is, if you are having to travel and keep travelling just to get any work, you effectively lose the right to vote(and therefore any real say in anything) and end up living large chunks of your life as a rootless, powerless internal economic migrant-essentially as a bracero in your own country.

What kind of life can THAT be?

Why should anyone have to roam for days or weeks or in some cases months just to find low-paid work with no job security, no benefits, no chance for advancement?

Don't all of us deserve a little more than that?

Shouldn't there be some dignity to it all?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
48. You ask: What kind of life can THAT be?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:16 PM
Sep 2017

I dunno but I think a read an older version of what they propose
It was called the Grapes Of Wrath

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
28. Resettling for work makes sense when you can be sure it will turn into a career.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:08 PM
Sep 2017

Is that what these jobs are?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
33. Other than on Wall Street, careers no longer exist in this country.
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:19 PM
Sep 2017

If people like Chuck and Mike get their way, there won't be pensions or Medicare or Medicaid anymore and we'll all basically have to go back to life in the 19th Century-working until we die while taking care of our aged parents in their homes 'til THEY die.

No happiness. No hope. Nothing to live for.

The only consolation some of us will have is that those were the conditions that created the labor movement and the Left in the first place. Once again, people will have nothing to lose but their chains.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
34. And what of the rents/housing costs in those new-job places? More to the point, WHO SAYS THEIR CLAIM
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:25 PM
Sep 2017

IS FACT??

Rowe runs a Foundation promoting skills training. Now, I respect the trades, but it kills me when a rich guy doesn't think college is for everyone.

The nation is run by the Ivy League, so who's kidding whom?

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
42. No-but it should be easily affordable for all who want it...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:43 PM
Sep 2017

...and in too many cases, a college education is the difference between the chance to do what you truly want to do with your life or drudgery-unto-death.

We need to bring all the drawbridges back down again.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
52. Rowe doesn't get that point that it should be more accessible to those who want it . No one will
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:25 PM
Sep 2017

force workers to college
and btw many local community colleges offer trade skill classes BUT to those with paid tuition
He didn't get that when he called Sanders a knucklehead for talking about opening up college to more people who wanted access
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9553537

EllieBC

(2,961 posts)
77. Skilled trades jobs often make more than
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:50 PM
Sep 2017

BA degrees unless that BA is in business accounting or is a BS in nursing and sciences.

On top of this not everyone wants to go to college. My husband would rather eat a bag of broken glass and wash it down with Drano than take classes he finds absolutely dull (which would be anything in English Lit, History, Humanities, etc.). This is why he trained as a mechanic.

There's a stinky elitism on the left and right that still assumes the poor blue collar worker really is a lesser being for not going to college or that she or he secretly desire to do so.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
56. I think if the first two years (aka, community/junior college) were free and stressed the Liberal
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:41 PM
Sep 2017

Arts, perhaps. Do I think we need more "hedge-fund managers" than we do electricians? No.

Different Drummer

(7,532 posts)
41. What is Mike Rowe doing on MSNBC, anyway?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 07:42 PM
Sep 2017

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He is a righty. Oh...I forgot...Andy Lack...

NotASurfer

(2,138 posts)
46. Cue Grumpy Old Man from old SNL skit
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:08 PM
Sep 2017

In my day, we didn't have two nickels to run together. So we hopped boxcars when we wanted to travel...

Sure, sometimes we slipped, and fell, and got gravel embedded in our derrières. And sometimes if we fell too close to the tracks - WHAM! there went your arm. But it didn't cost a penny!

And sure, the railroads hired goons to keep you off the train, and if they caught you they'd bust your skull, knock your teeth out, and throw you out while the train was rolling.

So, yeah, we were a bunch of toothless, concussion-addled idiots, with gravel lodged in our derrières, missing limbs and screaming in terror while railroad goons threw us off moving trains - AND WE LOVED IT! Couldn't get enough!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
54. Railroad security is to the extreme now for many reasons , insurance, terrorist targets, etc. not
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:32 PM
Sep 2017

like in grumpy old man's day of open yards.
Really though I assume they envision what you posted as possible nowadays and people should get off thier butt and just aimlessly go out seeking work.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
49. I got this lecture from the student loan people
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:16 PM
Sep 2017

Explaining my income situation, trying to get a forbearance.

"Why don't you get another job?"

Gee. Never thought of that.

"Why don't you relocate?"

Sure! I'll just borrow money from my rich parents.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
51. Not being able to travel to find non-existent "good jobs"?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:25 PM
Sep 2017

That makes perfect sense in a Chuck Todd world, where a lucky few, including Chuck Todd, are rewarded far beyond what is necessary or logical.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
88. Explore job openings in Dallas/Fort Worth Area - More than 127,000 new jobs are available now
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:31 AM
Sep 2017

Got via LinkedIn just the other day...


https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
92. Not all people are qualifiewd for the few jobs listed.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:34 PM
Sep 2017

I believe that Texas also has the largest number of minimum wage workers.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
55. Remember people were not trying to borrow $10,000.00 from thier parents to start
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:38 PM
Sep 2017

a small business to create thier own job either . Yep Romney pointed out that solution and couldn't understand why people unemployed weren't doing that .

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
57. that is bullshit anyway. I have personally known two people in the last 4 or 5 years
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:44 PM
Sep 2017

who took jobs away from home. Both of these men were lucky enough that they could afford to travel not only to find work but to actually go to work.

I worked with one and and the other was a long time friend. They both lived in RVs and drove home on weekends two or three hours so they could see their wives and kids on the weekends.

The have both moved on to new jobs since, but this was a multi year gig in two different states.

Somehow I think that is not as rare as we might think.

I have also heard of traveling pharmacists and contract nurses who travel for temp gigs or move from town to town every few years to different gigs.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
61. But wouldn't you first need about $ 120,000.00 or so to get through pharmacy school?
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:16 PM
Sep 2017

Of course you can't just ' go to pharmacy school'.
Prospective pharmacy school students must first complete 2-3 years of college level pre-pharmacy studies in math and science. That's not coming free either
Competition for admission is tough, so about half of the applicants already have a bachelor's degree or higher.
I guess then you could be a traveling pharmacist

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
58. white entitle guys who have a paycheck have ZERO understanding of those
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 08:47 PM
Sep 2017

who have no job, no money and doubly worse when non-white....

trc

(823 posts)
60. I caught the very end of that conversation
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 09:01 PM
Sep 2017

at the point where Mike said Texas would have a hard time rebuilding because of low skilled labor. This was a dead on assessment. Texas is a right to work state and as such has little to no regulation on who can do what in the construction bidness. He suggested it would take more skilled labor from out of state to help get the rebuilding process completed. I live in Texas and work as a residential remodeling contractor...skilled labor is in short supply, cheap labor is not.

 

Sailor65x1

(554 posts)
70. Actually, if you pay attention
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:09 PM
Sep 2017

To the things he has said over the years, and to the work his foundation does, you'd see that he espouses paid relocation, not travel. One of his biggest areas of focus has been that companies are prepared to pay to relocate skilled labor (A very true claim) He doesn't advocate forcing people to travel on their own dime.

SharonClark

(10,005 posts)
72. That's not what he said tonight
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:22 PM
Sep 2017

He and Todd bemoaned that people are not willing to move to where the jobs are.

When people do move (at great expense and often family separation) to where the jobs are, those jobs often disappear.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
94. He said nothing on that show about business having any responsibility to help people relocate.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:53 PM
Sep 2017

He made it sound like anybody out of work could find work if only they'd just "hit the road" or hop a freight train or something.

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
74. I've lived in 4 different cities for work and one move devastated the family
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:43 PM
Sep 2017

There are downsides.
But at least in my case it was financially beneficial.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
75. TBH, the problem right now isn't really unemployment...
Mon Sep 4, 2017, 10:46 PM
Sep 2017

It's that good-paying blue collar jobs are drying up. Automation is largely going to eliminate the need unskilled and semi-skilled blue collar workers. That is a reality that no protectionist trade policy can change, and we aren't going to legislate it away either.

Skilled tradespeople will still be needed, however. TBH, I'm not sure what the long-term answer is. It's not pretty 50 year down the road....

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
89. Hubs is an engineer as you know...he is looking for work everywhere...at his level he gets phone
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:35 AM
Sep 2017

interviews and usually is flown out on the company's dime...but for lesser paying jobs that is unfair...Todd is so privileged.

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