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As Bernie Sanders said: "Let's look forward..." (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2017 OP
I'm looking forward to him..... CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #1
I wish...but what will more likely happen is his former supporters like Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #5
I disagree CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #11
By attacking Democrats...no they won't. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #12
What you see as an attack I see as strengthening us CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #13
There is no evidence of what you say...this group will cost us seats if they succeed in their Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #16
Evidence? CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #19
One small Assembly district, not even a Senate district. George II Sep 2017 #21
A win is a win right? CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #30
Well, it's a little concerning when an organization tries to take credit for certain victories..... George II Sep 2017 #34
What do you mean? CloudsInMyCoffee Sep 2017 #40
My local Bernie Sanders campaign office single handedly turned Elgin IL blue riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #32
"Single handedly"? Neither Our Revolution nor the "Bernie Sanders campaign office"..... George II Sep 2017 #35
Because the members of our office took direct action riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #38
Is it a Sanders (i.e., "our) campaign office or a Democratic campaign office? George II Sep 2017 #39
It was Bernie Sanders' Batavia primary campaign office which morphed into Kane County Progressives riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #41
Ah, so it's not "your" office, it's a Democratic office. Good to see that Sanders' people..... George II Sep 2017 #42
Lol, ok. Actually John Laesch who directs the group is DSA riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #43
What do you mean by "zero Democratic party help"? No Democrats campaigned or.... George II Sep 2017 #44
No $$, no help with the campaigns etc riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #46
Are you aware of how much $$ national parties traditionally give to local elections? Usually zero. George II Sep 2017 #48
Oh yeah but I'm loving the grassroots coalition growing here riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #49
We all know what everybody is against DFW Sep 2017 #47
he has already backed many non left candidates this year JI7 Sep 2017 #2
That'd be easier if the unfair DNC bashing would stop uponit7771 Sep 2017 #3
It's unclear why that behavior is considered acceptable. Yet... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #4
Many are fans...this has to do with persoality more than politics....which is why we see Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #6
It all seems so arbitrary and capricious and self-serving... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #7
I think there is a real hatred for Democrats and the Democratic party in some quarters of the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #9
The answer to your question is "No." Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #15
Very true. I agree. Our revolution is dangerous in terms of 18 and 20. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #17
Nina Turner has said more than once that they're prepared to endorse republicans if they're.... George II Sep 2017 #22
Commies are the far left. Didn't know we had any shanny Sep 2017 #29
Yep uponit7771 Sep 2017 #10
He doesn't want to look back. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #8
I'm trying. Iggo Sep 2017 #14
Stupid me lillypaddle Sep 2017 #18
Are you serious??? Have you ever read this rule? George II Sep 2017 #20
Well, according to Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. DetlefK Sep 2017 #23
Not the point - you said this: George II Sep 2017 #24
"Looking forward" in the sense of "expecting". DetlefK Sep 2017 #25
Well, that makes more sense. Usually "looking forward" means one wants it to happen. George II Sep 2017 #26
I have asked the question directly and the answer I got is read the rules. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #27
I'm looking forward to the end of the primaries. shanny Sep 2017 #28
Oh Lord, will the Bernie bashing never end? left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #31
+1000 nt riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #33
Have you seen some of the recent statements by him and Nina Turner? George II Sep 2017 #37
Nah. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #45
I understand what you're saying now. Let me put it this way, I'm expecting that to happen... George II Sep 2017 #36
 

CloudsInMyCoffee

(94 posts)
1. I'm looking forward to him.....
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 06:27 AM
Sep 2017

leading a massive charge of young people who have become engaged politically against fascist Frito finger supporters and up ending the political process & roadblocks that the GOP has put in place.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
5. I wish...but what will more likely happen is his former supporters like
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:44 AM
Sep 2017

Our Revolution will cost us seats in the Senate and the House.

 

CloudsInMyCoffee

(94 posts)
13. What you see as an attack I see as strengthening us
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:06 AM
Sep 2017

And this is where we'll disagree.

I see it as running candidates people actually WANT based on issues that people WANT. Primaries I see as a good thing, for it gives us the strongest contender to fight Republicans with.

We need strong candidates and we need candidates who are very much in touch with their constituents.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
16. There is no evidence of what you say...this group will cost us seats if they succeed in their
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:11 AM
Sep 2017

quest...which is to attack Democrats. Attacking the party can only lead to more electoral defeats and misery for the masses...I will 'check my privilege' and fight the GOP and any faux progressive group who attacks Democrats in order to stop Trump. Any organization that says they will back Republicans is not progressive...so screw 'Our revolution' . I wish them nothing but complete failure. I hope in a a year or so...people will say "our revolution" ...who is that?

 

CloudsInMyCoffee

(94 posts)
19. Evidence?
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:20 AM
Sep 2017

Meet Christine Pellegrino, who flipped a district Trump won in a landslide against Hillary and the first serving Democrat in said district on over 25 years. Backed up by Our Revolution no less!

What exactly is a "faux progressive"? I would be intersted in hearing that because in my eyes, Our Revolution is fighting for the things progressives fight for;

Green energy. Single payer. Free college. Living wages. Stronger unions. etc etc. It's sad that you wish them nothing but complete failure too. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are and why you are not wanting any sort of change at all to begin with.

For the sake of clarity; I volunteer full time for Our Revolution in my state and am very active making sure progressive issues are at the forefront.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. One small Assembly district, not even a Senate district.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:55 AM
Sep 2017

He's also endorsed several other candidates in special elections all over the country, to my knowledge all have lost.

 

CloudsInMyCoffee

(94 posts)
30. A win is a win right?
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:56 PM
Sep 2017

There's actually quite a few victories but you won't hear about them. All politics are local as the saying goes, right? And that's where a very large of our concentration is right now. Starting at the bottom and working upward! This is exciting stuff!
here are a few examples.















George II

(67,782 posts)
34. Well, it's a little concerning when an organization tries to take credit for certain victories.....
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:38 PM
Sep 2017

....did anyone from Our Revolution campaign actively for any of those candidates?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
32. My local Bernie Sanders campaign office single handedly turned Elgin IL blue
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:29 PM
Sep 2017
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/elgin-courier-news/news/ct-ecn-elgin-township-election-st-0406-20170405-story.html

Every nominee/winner was from our campaign office and ran as Dems, turning Elgin from solid red to blue. We also gained a seat in Sugar Grove and a couple in Batavia.

These are our allies. There are even more of us planning on running in 2018.

We're also involved in organizing weekly protests against Roskam and Hultgren at their home offices amongst other actions.

What are you doing for 2018?

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. "Single handedly"? Neither Our Revolution nor the "Bernie Sanders campaign office".....
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:42 PM
Sep 2017

....are even mentioned in the article you provided.

Me? I'm campaigning actively for our town officials, including Mayor, and I've campaigned for local and state officials in each election for the last 13 years (including six in which I was a candidate)

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
38. Because the members of our office took direct action
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 02:57 PM
Sep 2017

We ARE helping turn red seats blue. Demonstrably so. We had no Democratic party help. We fundraised ourselves. Knocked on every door we could despite party affiliation.

It's crazy great what the grass roots can do. We took Bernies message to heart and got out there and ran.

The Kane County Progressives Facebook group is almost 4000 strong now - that page is the original core Sanders Batavia IL campaign office now grown yuuuge...





 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. It was Bernie Sanders' Batavia primary campaign office which morphed into Kane County Progressives
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:10 PM
Sep 2017

Democrats, Independents, DSA - we're all working together to turn red seats.

Time for bickering is over. Focus



George II

(67,782 posts)
42. Ah, so it's not "your" office, it's a Democratic office. Good to see that Sanders' people.....
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:12 PM
Sep 2017

....are working WITH Democrats to win elections. As it should be.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
43. Lol, ok. Actually John Laesch who directs the group is DSA
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:17 PM
Sep 2017

He also ran that campaign office for Bernie.

But it's all good. Like I said, we had zero Democratic party help for what we got done. Hope that changes in 2018.



George II

(67,782 posts)
44. What do you mean by "zero Democratic party help"? No Democrats campaigned or....
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:25 PM
Sep 2017

...knocked on doors or participated in the campaign?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
46. No $$, no help with the campaigns etc
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 03:56 PM
Sep 2017

This was a grass roots effort with DSA, Democrats, and many Indies inspired by Bernie working together to flip red seats.

Ie Kane County Progressives!





George II

(67,782 posts)
48. Are you aware of how much $$ national parties traditionally give to local elections? Usually zero.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 06:22 PM
Sep 2017

And national parties rarely get involved in local campaigns at all. In fact, even state parties rarely get involved in local campaigns either except for supplying voter data.

I've been involved with many campaigns - local and district, and the only time our state party got involved in any of them was to train a couple of workers on how to access their voter registration database.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
49. Oh yeah but I'm loving the grassroots coalition growing here
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:57 PM
Sep 2017

A coalition of DSA, Democrats, and Indies to take back red seats is real. Many if not most are members of Our Revolution, Indivisible, the Democratic party, DSA etc.

Time to start thinking out of the box and focus on winning.

Labels don't matter in my group.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
47. We all know what everybody is against
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 04:02 PM
Sep 2017

Exactly whom and what will they be FOR? It has always been easier to blow up a building than to erect one.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. It's unclear why that behavior is considered acceptable. Yet...
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:35 AM
Sep 2017

... if Trump or Ryan or McConnell said the exact same things, there would be no end to the outrage.

Weird, huh? (I'm still trying to wrap my head around the double-standard. If anyone can explain it to me, I'd appreciate it.)

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
6. Many are fans...this has to do with persoality more than politics....which is why we see
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:49 AM
Sep 2017

ideology change from one day to the next...for example supporting Mello while attacking Joe Manchin. Mello was supported by Sen.Sanders. (even though his record on abortion and the environment was awful). His self identified followers immediately supported Mello. Manchin enjoys no such support thus he is fair game...and facing a primary by the Sanders group "Our Revolution".

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. It all seems so arbitrary and capricious and self-serving...
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 08:56 AM
Sep 2017

... only, I'm struggling for the right word here... and I admit that "self-serving" doesn't quite say what I mean (although it's the first phrase that popped into my head.) Maybe something more along the lines of hostile or vindictive would be a more appropriate way of trying to describe the behavior (and "strategies"... if one could actually call it that) that I'm observing.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
9. I think there is a real hatred for Democrats and the Democratic party in some quarters of the
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:05 AM
Sep 2017

so called far left (are they really progressive when the enable the GOP?). They are unable to accept the fact that their views are not supported by the Democratic majority...and lash out. While they can cost us elections...they do not have sufficient numbers to win elections or even primaries.

 

Expecting Rain

(811 posts)
15. The answer to your question is "No."
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:10 AM
Sep 2017

In these instances, they are "regressives" who are undeserving of the expropriation of a term that supports moving positively forward.

Our Revolution has proved themselves to be an anti-Democratic movement and we'd better watch our backs.

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Nina Turner has said more than once that they're prepared to endorse republicans if they're....
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:01 PM
Sep 2017

...."suitable" (not her exact word, can't remember it)

 

Weekend Warrior

(1,301 posts)
8. He doesn't want to look back.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 09:02 AM
Sep 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029561375#post17

I don't think people really get what just a couple of votes almost had us. The conversation today would be much different. Sanders fought WITH Republicans to stop a pathway to citizenship. As you can see from my link, one of his most ardent supporters isn't even aware of that. Truly no clue at all.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
18. Stupid me
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:13 AM
Sep 2017

I thought your post was sarcastic, because it is too outrageous to be serious. Stupid me, lucky you that you got me on your jury. Shame. So sorry, DU.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Are you serious??? Have you ever read this rule?
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 11:49 AM
Sep 2017
Don't bash Democratic public figures

Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

And you even SAID that you're "looking forward to him bashing the democratic establishment"!!

I would self-delete if I were you. Thanks.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
23. Well, according to Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:03 PM
Sep 2017
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/329418-sanders-i-do-not-consider-myself-a-democrat

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee (DNC) unity tour with the party's new chairman, Tom Perez.

"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.





Does DU have a rule about bashing Independents?

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. Not the point - you said this:
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:08 PM
Sep 2017
I'm looking forward to him bashing the democratic establishment mid-election-season for not being left enough.

So you're rooting for Democratic candidates being bashed in next year's election? That's not "bashing Democrats"?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
27. I have asked the question directly and the answer I got is read the rules.
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 12:33 PM
Sep 2017

So yes, on Democratic Underground, Bernie Sanders is considered a democrat and a good guy, so to speak.

So that is that.



I have many thoughts on all this but I dont dare post them on this site. I have, however, predicted the following:

Due to GRU interference in our 2018 election, and Trump Admin purposely NOT doing anything to stop them, crosscheck and non democratic party progressives like Jill Stein and others, the GOP will maintain control of all government, and might even increase their numbers.

The SC will get another far right sycophant further to the right than Scalia, and all rights will be gone, ALL.

This is what is going to happen almost certainly, unless...because I believe there is a one percent chance of stopping it, I continue on with my posting and caring, but it is only 1%,

George II

(67,782 posts)
36. I understand what you're saying now. Let me put it this way, I'm expecting that to happen...
Thu Sep 7, 2017, 01:44 PM
Sep 2017

...but certainly not looking forward to it.

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