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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs Bernie Sanders said: "Let's look forward..."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029561375I'm looking forward to him bashing the democratic establishment mid-election-season for not being left enough.
CloudsInMyCoffee
(94 posts)leading a massive charge of young people who have become engaged politically against fascist Frito finger supporters and up ending the political process & roadblocks that the GOP has put in place.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Our Revolution will cost us seats in the Senate and the House.
CloudsInMyCoffee
(94 posts)I think Our Revolution will make us only stronger!
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)I despise them and will support no candidates they support.
CloudsInMyCoffee
(94 posts)And this is where we'll disagree.
I see it as running candidates people actually WANT based on issues that people WANT. Primaries I see as a good thing, for it gives us the strongest contender to fight Republicans with.
We need strong candidates and we need candidates who are very much in touch with their constituents.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)quest...which is to attack Democrats. Attacking the party can only lead to more electoral defeats and misery for the masses...I will 'check my privilege' and fight the GOP and any faux progressive group who attacks Democrats in order to stop Trump. Any organization that says they will back Republicans is not progressive...so screw 'Our revolution' . I wish them nothing but complete failure. I hope in a a year or so...people will say "our revolution" ...who is that?
CloudsInMyCoffee
(94 posts)Meet Christine Pellegrino, who flipped a district Trump won in a landslide against Hillary and the first serving Democrat in said district on over 25 years. Backed up by Our Revolution no less!
What exactly is a "faux progressive"? I would be intersted in hearing that because in my eyes, Our Revolution is fighting for the things progressives fight for;
Green energy. Single payer. Free college. Living wages. Stronger unions. etc etc. It's sad that you wish them nothing but complete failure too. Maybe you should ask yourself why you are and why you are not wanting any sort of change at all to begin with.
For the sake of clarity; I volunteer full time for Our Revolution in my state and am very active making sure progressive issues are at the forefront.
George II
(67,782 posts)He's also endorsed several other candidates in special elections all over the country, to my knowledge all have lost.
CloudsInMyCoffee
(94 posts)There's actually quite a few victories but you won't hear about them. All politics are local as the saying goes, right? And that's where a very large of our concentration is right now. Starting at the bottom and working upward! This is exciting stuff!
here are a few examples.
George II
(67,782 posts)....did anyone from Our Revolution campaign actively for any of those candidates?
CloudsInMyCoffee
(94 posts)Those candidates were all backed by Our Revolution.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Every nominee/winner was from our campaign office and ran as Dems, turning Elgin from solid red to blue. We also gained a seat in Sugar Grove and a couple in Batavia.
These are our allies. There are even more of us planning on running in 2018.
We're also involved in organizing weekly protests against Roskam and Hultgren at their home offices amongst other actions.
What are you doing for 2018?
George II
(67,782 posts)....are even mentioned in the article you provided.
Me? I'm campaigning actively for our town officials, including Mayor, and I've campaigned for local and state officials in each election for the last 13 years (including six in which I was a candidate)
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)We ARE helping turn red seats blue. Demonstrably so. We had no Democratic party help. We fundraised ourselves. Knocked on every door we could despite party affiliation.
It's crazy great what the grass roots can do. We took Bernies message to heart and got out there and ran.
The Kane County Progressives Facebook group is almost 4000 strong now - that page is the original core Sanders Batavia IL campaign office now grown yuuuge...
George II
(67,782 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Democrats, Independents, DSA - we're all working together to turn red seats.
Time for bickering is over. Focus
George II
(67,782 posts)....are working WITH Democrats to win elections. As it should be.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)He also ran that campaign office for Bernie.
But it's all good. Like I said, we had zero Democratic party help for what we got done. Hope that changes in 2018.
George II
(67,782 posts)...knocked on doors or participated in the campaign?
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)This was a grass roots effort with DSA, Democrats, and many Indies inspired by Bernie working together to flip red seats.
Ie Kane County Progressives!
George II
(67,782 posts)And national parties rarely get involved in local campaigns at all. In fact, even state parties rarely get involved in local campaigns either except for supplying voter data.
I've been involved with many campaigns - local and district, and the only time our state party got involved in any of them was to train a couple of workers on how to access their voter registration database.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)A coalition of DSA, Democrats, and Indies to take back red seats is real. Many if not most are members of Our Revolution, Indivisible, the Democratic party, DSA etc.
Time to start thinking out of the box and focus on winning.
Labels don't matter in my group.
DFW
(54,055 posts)Exactly whom and what will they be FOR? It has always been easier to blow up a building than to erect one.
JI7
(89,176 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... if Trump or Ryan or McConnell said the exact same things, there would be no end to the outrage.
Weird, huh? (I'm still trying to wrap my head around the double-standard. If anyone can explain it to me, I'd appreciate it.)
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)ideology change from one day to the next...for example supporting Mello while attacking Joe Manchin. Mello was supported by Sen.Sanders. (even though his record on abortion and the environment was awful). His self identified followers immediately supported Mello. Manchin enjoys no such support thus he is fair game...and facing a primary by the Sanders group "Our Revolution".
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... only, I'm struggling for the right word here... and I admit that "self-serving" doesn't quite say what I mean (although it's the first phrase that popped into my head.) Maybe something more along the lines of hostile or vindictive would be a more appropriate way of trying to describe the behavior (and "strategies"... if one could actually call it that) that I'm observing.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)so called far left (are they really progressive when the enable the GOP?). They are unable to accept the fact that their views are not supported by the Democratic majority...and lash out. While they can cost us elections...they do not have sufficient numbers to win elections or even primaries.
Expecting Rain
(811 posts)In these instances, they are "regressives" who are undeserving of the expropriation of a term that supports moving positively forward.
Our Revolution has proved themselves to be an anti-Democratic movement and we'd better watch our backs.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...."suitable" (not her exact word, can't remember it)
shanny
(6,709 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Weekend Warrior
(1,301 posts)I don't think people really get what just a couple of votes almost had us. The conversation today would be much different. Sanders fought WITH Republicans to stop a pathway to citizenship. As you can see from my link, one of his most ardent supporters isn't even aware of that. Truly no clue at all.
Iggo
(47,487 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I thought your post was sarcastic, because it is too outrageous to be serious. Stupid me, lucky you that you got me on your jury. Shame. So sorry, DU.
George II
(67,782 posts)Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).
And you even SAID that you're "looking forward to him bashing the democratic establishment"!!
I would self-delete if I were you. Thanks.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday night that he still does not consider himself a Democrat despite taking part in a Democratic National Committee (DNC) unity tour with the party's new chairman, Tom Perez.
"No, I'm an Independent," Sanders said when asked by MSNBC's Chris Hayes whether he now identifies as a Democrat.
Does DU have a rule about bashing Independents?
George II
(67,782 posts)So you're rooting for Democratic candidates being bashed in next year's election? That's not "bashing Democrats"?
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)So yes, on Democratic Underground, Bernie Sanders is considered a democrat and a good guy, so to speak.
So that is that.
I have many thoughts on all this but I dont dare post them on this site. I have, however, predicted the following:
Due to GRU interference in our 2018 election, and Trump Admin purposely NOT doing anything to stop them, crosscheck and non democratic party progressives like Jill Stein and others, the GOP will maintain control of all government, and might even increase their numbers.
The SC will get another far right sycophant further to the right than Scalia, and all rights will be gone, ALL.
This is what is going to happen almost certainly, unless...because I believe there is a one percent chance of stopping it, I continue on with my posting and caring, but it is only 1%,
shanny
(6,709 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)If only the Bernie haters could be focused against the GOP.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)They're too busy calling people like me (an uncle of two black nephews and a niece) a racism enabler because reasons, re-writing FDR's legacy, blaming Bernie for existing, calling a human right 31 other countries have "politically unachievable" and judging all progressives by a few misguided ones.
George II
(67,782 posts)...but certainly not looking forward to it.