One of my son's friends, a conservative (rare out here) has just reached out to me

[pnwmom]

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on Facebook, talking about how much she can't stand DT.

While I'm very outspoken on the awfulness of Trump on FB, I have been trying to leave the door open to respectful conversations with Republicans. We had a good one.

One conversation -- and hopefully, conversion -- at a time . . .

[LonePirate]

1. That's a very good attitude to have - one conversation at a time indeed. Thank you.

[ancianita]

2. And you never know how far your influence will go beyond this one conversation.

This person will pass this along and influence others, most likely.

Glad to hear this. Thanks for sharing.

[Beartracks]

3. Disillusioned because he's a prism for the moral decay of the GOP, or...

... because he's blowing his promise to be the Righteous Rightwing God King that his base so fervently dreams of?

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[pnwmom]

6. No. She didn't like him but hoped for the best. And she also says

though she disagreed with Obama on some policies, she loved the way he treated people.

She hates that about DT.

[calimary]

7. A friend of mine said the same thing. She wasn't thrilled about him either, but

she, too hoped for the best. "I'm just going to be hopeful..." she'd say.

I'm sorry. I'm TRYING to be understanding of these people, but to me that just shrieks out "FUCKING NAIVE!!!" I'm sorry. I know I'm supposed to be sympathetic and understanding and not judge them for their FUCKING STUPID GULLIBLE NAIVE IDIOCY!!!" I find inner myself roaring at statements and statement-makers like this - "you mean you haven't seen enough of this weasel by now to know EXACTLY what he is - a world-class CON-man who's been around spreading that schtick in public for decades by now? Who only views the Presidency as a way to make more money? You haven't seen enough of this slicky-boy by now to know his reputation, his constant lying, his behavior patterns, his vulgarity and narcissism, his corner-cutting and flat-out cheating, his bullshitting, his racism and predatory sexism? His crassness, cowardice, smoke-blowing, and general juvenile jerkitude?"

I'm sorry. Those "hoped for the best" chumps are just that: CHUMPS. That "sucker born every minute" line was written for and about THEM. The ones who've been ROYALLY HAD. At the end of a freakin' fork. At the moment, I confess I have no patience, understanding, or sympathy for them. I'm sorry. I hope I can eventually reach a place of forgiveness. My better angels tell me I need to, but they're pretty pissed off these days, too.

[pnwmom]

8. My son's friend stopped being hopeful months ago. And what I care about is how she's feeling

now, because the GOP needs to feel more pressure from people like HER.

You're right that she was naive. She is also young. She comes from a conservative family and she's still learning to think for herself.

I hope there are millions like her, and I'm going to keep reaching out to the ones I can.

[SergeStorms]

10. Ahhhhhh.....

family conservatism, and that's all she's been exposed to her entire life. I grew up in a similar situation, but it being the 60s and being a guy, I think it was easier for me to break with them (at least politically) than it was for her. Everyone is entitled to make mistakes, and this was her one mistake, and should last a lifetime.

Again, I'm glad our side has souls such as yourself, who will patiently interact with those people and talk them off the ledge. Me? I'd let 'em jump!

[Beartracks]

13. Why not vote for someone smart, accomplished, and capable and be "hopeful"?

Why vote for the proven narcissistic, ignorant, sexist buffoon and act "hopeful"?

What a stupid so-called excuse.

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[calimary]

14. I guess that's all they've got at this point.

I'd HATE to be among those now trying to justify why they voted for this asshole!

[Hekate]

4. Attagirl

[SergeStorms]

9. Good for you!

I wouldn't have the patience or civility needed to "convert" one of the deplorables, but I'm very glad we have people like YOU who do!

If you don't mind my asking, what were her reasons for supporting Trump in the first place?

[pnwmom]

11. She didn't say she voted for him. I suspect she either didn't vote or she voted

for someone else (McMullin or possibly Rand Paul). Now she regrets not voting more effectively.

She didn't realize how disastrous he would be, and once he won she wanted him to do well. She might have been a little shocked by all the reactions she was seeing around her (like mine). Now she understands them.

[riderinthestorm]

12. Thanks for this pnwmom. Agreed that we are going to need everyone we can on our side

2018 is upon us and we need to be reaching everyone we can.

K&R