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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:12 AM Sep 2017

Every Day New Revelations Show How Rigged 2016 Was.

As time passes more and more evidence comes to light that shows how rigged the last election was. In time what happened and how criminal it was will be virtually an absolute certainty. And we will see so clearly how the GOP crime syndicate has been working.

How sad with all our war dead that this sick situation is where the country is. And we know what party is responsible. Two acts of treason and three stolen elections have given us Nixon, Reagan, Bush II and now Trump.

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Every Day New Revelations Show How Rigged 2016 Was. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Sep 2017 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Sep 2017 #1
That Fact Is A Troubling Aspect For The Future. TheMastersNemesis Sep 2017 #2
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Sep 2017 #3
The problem with a lot of this discussion is.... vi5 Sep 2017 #4
How democracy ends thbobby Sep 2017 #5
A few details -- RandomAccess Sep 2017 #6

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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
2. That Fact Is A Troubling Aspect For The Future.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:26 AM
Sep 2017

The fraud commission can do a lot of damage. Besides the GOP clerks and Secretaries of State control WHERE and HOW MANY voting machines are put. GOP districts get as many voting places as they want. Other districts go short causing long lines.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
4. The problem with a lot of this discussion is....
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:33 AM
Sep 2017

...that unless there is evidence of literal vote changing (which would not surprise me), then it's almost impossible to pin down in a particular way. Even things like leaking of memos, and planting stories, etc. still ultimately involve people casting their vote in the way they see fit, even if it's based on misinformation and lies. The fact is that even if Russia was not involved in any way whatsoever, there are people who voted a particular way because of what they heard on Fox news or read on Drudge or Breitbart or Infowars. Which is still crap, but that type of ill-informed voting occurs all the time and has been happening long before the 2016 election.

Even with irrefutable evidence that Russia planted thousands of stories in US news sources or on websites, I can guarantee you'd still have every single person who cast their vote for Trump saying they would have voted the exact same way no matter what.

So....yeah, it sucks but a lot of what we're circling around is less actual voter fraud or vote tampering and more just propaganda and low or mis-information voters. Which is sadly not illegal.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
5. How democracy ends
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 10:47 AM
Sep 2017

Just how the world ends. Not with a bang but with a whimper.

Many brave people have died to create and to defend our democracy. We fought many wars for this. We have been near or at civil war for this.

How far must we go to defend what our founding fathers created? Whatever it takes must be done.

A repeat of French Revolution? Perhaps it will take drastic measures to save democracy. Do Americans care enough? You don't know what you've got till it's gone.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
6. A few details --
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 12:07 PM
Sep 2017
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691



Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/



PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
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