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Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:59 PM Jul 2012

Gun safety NRA should be sponsoring....

classes:
1) how to identify when you and your loved ones are batshit crazy
2) how to assure that you don't murder your own family
3) how to assure your child doesn't become a mass murderer
4) how to prevent suicide with your guns
5) how to say no to family members who you don't trust with a gun

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ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
2. Why didn't you post this in the RKBA forum?
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:52 PM
Jul 2012

There has been a growing litany of complaints of firearms threads leaking into the rest of DU.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
3. I'm sorry I don't normally go to that forum
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:57 PM
Jul 2012

its like the religion forum or the meta forum.
Just not a place for normal people to visit.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
5. "Normal people"
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:07 PM
Jul 2012

Interesting view you have there.

Seriously, I am not one of those complaining about the phenomena. I posted my seminal comment to get some sense of why people are doing that.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
9. People chose who they want to associate with in RL and on the internet
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jul 2012

DU is one example as indeed is FR.
We seem to seek either a) validation or b) conflict
depending on our individual makeup

While DU in general has a reasonably broad perspective, there are some forums which are more like battlegrounds.
I put the gun forum in that category.
There is no desire for real conversation there.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
10. I understand you position
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jul 2012

The RKBA forum has an unusual mix for DU posters. Hit and run shit stirrers are common as is a lot of innuendo. Through a group, the moderator has allowed this to continue, making it the most wide open group on DU.

If anti feminism posters were as tolerated in Feminism/HOF as anti gun posters are in RKBA it would redefine those groups.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
11. In my druthers, there would be no separate forums at all
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jul 2012

I live in latest threads and read mostly general discussion and politics there

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
4. Why don't you want this important ...
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jul 2012

... issue put where it gets the most attention? In case you didn't notice, ANOTHER fucking gunfreak went on a killing spree and many of us have had our fill of this NRA shit. If you don't want to read it, fine, don't click the threads, but NO ONE has to cater to your preferences.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
6. I am not one of those complaining about the phenomena
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jul 2012

But was curious as to why it was happening. Those who object are whining about it more loudly these days in meta

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
7. This isn't the only thread ..
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:15 PM
Jul 2012

... you've thrown this canard out in. If you've got an issue with what's in "meta" how's about you take it up there? I could hazzard a pretty good guess as to "why" they are whining. The tipping point for their NRA horseshit may have been reached with this gunfreak's killing spree. The tide is turning and they are trying to stop it.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
8. Its not a canard...its a legitimate question
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jul 2012

an I am collecting the answers and will be doing some analysis on them.

Your contribution is appreciated.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
16. Its an honest question and I have gotten some interesting answers on it in several threads
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:07 PM
Jul 2012

See my later post to you for more details

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
12. In case you hadn't noticed, there was yet another mass shooting in the U.S. yesterday.
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jul 2012

I think it's okay if we complain about firearms in GD today. Unless the moderators think otherwise. But so far they haven't.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
15. Indeed I am aware of it
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jul 2012

There has been a fair amount of discussion about the role of the RKBA forum over the last few months. More recently there have been complaints of gun related threads showing up more frequently in GD and elsewhere. Finally there has been noise made that RKBA supporters are participating in the gun related threads outside of the RKBA group. It is a fairly fluid dynamic.

I am asking the question I am to get some data for those discussion outside of personal perceptions

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
14. An ex-con family member was trusted with a hunting rifle by another family member. The con got drunk
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jul 2012

and threw a fit one time and pointed it at me and several others in the family. He then went and hold up in his home and we called the sherriff's office to do a report. They sent the entire god damn SWAT unit. 50 guys with AR15's surrounded his trailer for an hour trying to plan some crazy tactical shit to get this guy out of there. He had been passed out drunk for several hours by that time, and once they breeched the door etc they had to wake him up and carry him out.

So after all this, my cousin who had given the ex-con family member the gun (which it was a felony for an ex-con to have) got the gun back, with no questions asked. Thats fucked up IMO. I think if you provide guns to people who shouldn't have them, you should get some sort of punitive consequences.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
17. Thats my point of learning how to say NO to people
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jul 2012

who you know shouldn't have access to a weapon

In todays news, went the mom was contacted she suggested that it could have been her son.
If she had those type of concerns about her son, why on earth wouldn't she have gotten him help.
A news story suggested that there is money there...his parents own the apartment building he was living in.

As bad as it would be to have a child with such horrible mental illness, I have to believe having a child with horrible illness who became a mass murderer would be worse.

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